Posted on 04/12/2021 5:16:45 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
Antibodies are still present doesn’t exclude T cell immunity. It really isn’t an indirect evidence of smoldering infection as you suggest. Take for example hepatitis B. You can find antibodies decades after native infection. I wouldn’t read a lot into it except immunity seems long lasting.
University of Nebraska Medical Center has performed a very successful double-lung transplant on a young farmer suffering from crippling lung damage related to Covid. Sadly there are many donors available because of gang violence and MVA’s. Hard to know how many truly viable candidates there are out there for these transplants. I
hope it is a very limited number, but Covid is certainly not the only cause of essentially terminal lung failure.
When possible I’m sure UNMC will make every effort to salvage the lives of people who’ve suffered from major organ failure—from any cause. The organ retrieval system here is a premier program and I’ve had the sobering but vitally important task of providing anesthetic care for organ harvesting. I am always moved by the moment of silence we observe in the OR before beginning. It’s our way to give thanks for these tremendous gifts. My greatest hope is that someday we may know the truth about the origins of Covid and see justice meted out to anyone responsible for unleashing it on the world and probably profiting from it. God have mercy on them, for the people are rapidly reaching the end of their rope.
You are not looking at the N in the denominator
I would make since that the variant is a fraction of the wild type. If the variant breakthrough there would be a “concentration” off variant in the vaccinated. It does not mean that there is more variant in terms of raw numbers because the vaccine offers some degree of protection against the variant. You have to compare apples to apples.
The vaccine doesnt somehow make you ore susceptible to the variant. You are merely seeing a higher number among a lower N.
27 amino acids. The walls are gonna fall down and we’ll all be killed. Shake some gourds, cast some runes, shoot crap into your shoulder and duck.
If the Pfizer vaccinated subjects are showing more prevalence of the African variant as opposed to wuhan infected and recovered subjects doesn't that imply there is something not as effective about the Pfizer vaccine as opposed to natural immune response antibodies?
That is exactly what it implies, but the numbers are quite small as to skew the actual rate. What is being represented is that 8x gross numbers are being seen in the vaccinated (It is not). There is in fact a concentration due to the smaller efficiency with this variant, but the overall numbers are vanishing small. Israel had only 225 reported infections yesterday. Their numbers are very low across the board.
As the article says its a rate. As the total N is very low rate is skewed high
It’s bad journalism. Not your fault, but their’s.
It is 8 times more common *in those who received the full vaccine dose AND caught it anyway*. NOT among all who had the vaccine.
Though the article reads otherwise.
Journalism...
Yes it does. How would you even know...I didn’t even link to it.
A team from Tel Aviv University and Clalit Health Services found that the prevalence of the South Africa variant among patients who received both doses of the vaccine was around eight times higher than those unvaccinated – 5.4% versus 0.7%.
I meant this link to you gas_dr.
That is prevalence. The actual number of infection in Israel are consistently under 300 a day. So there is a concentration of variant. This would make sense of vaccinated vs unvaccinated as a result that the vaccinated are likely going to see all comers infection including the original infection so to speak, whereas the vaccinated will NOT see the original type.
the prevalence of the South Africa variant among patients who received both doses of the vaccine * AND CAUGHT THE COVID ANYWAY* was around eight times higher than those unvaccinated...
It’s not more prevalent among those who took the vaccine.
Only among those who took the vaccine AND still caught the virus.
It’s terrible journalism.
Whoever they take the lungs from certainly didn’t make it !
That makes no sense
You wish (apparently).
‘An idiot could not differentiate between “those who took the vaccine” and “those who took the vaccine AND ALSO got the virus afterwards” but no person of reasonable mental acuity could.
Of course though, a reasonable person could just lie.
You know- to please someone they’re subservient to.
LOL!
You are clearly not smart enough to understand what it’s saying.
Have a good day.
So the vax antibodies last 6 months, what about the antibodies you may already have naturally before the vax/ and why are you taking the vax before taking the antibody test to see if you already have it
“But am Israeli study shows mrna increases risk to new variants conpared to those without the vaccine.”
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There’s apparently a misunderstanding about the Israeli study going around. The below is copied from a comment I made yesterday to another with that misunderstanding.
You are COMPLETELY misrepresenting what the Israeli study looked at and what it found. Apparently, MATH IS HARD for some of our Agendanista anti-vaxxers. Following is my summary of the study:
The folks who conducted the study picked 400 UNVACCINATED people who TESTED positive for COVID-19. They may or may not have been symptomatic. Of these 400 COVID-19 “cases”, 0.7% (probably 3 cases) were of the South African variant and 99.3% (probably 397 case) were of other COVID-19 variants as determined by molecular testing. These 400 cases represent the “control” and should roughly show the size of the South African variant circulating in Israel as a percentage of COVID-19 cases. As the “control” population of 400 COVID-19 infected people UNAFFECTED BY PRIOR VACCINATION it will be what is used to “measure” how effective the vaccine is for both South African and non South African variants. If the vaccine is equally effective against both variants we’d expect to see similar breakdown (i.e., 99.3% and 0.7%) in the vaccinated group below.
The folks who conducted the study ALSO picked 400 VACCINATED (not necessarily fully vaccinated with 2 shots) people who also had TESTED positive for COVID-19 subsequent to their vaccination. They also may or may not have been symptomatic. Of this 2nd group of 400 COVID-19 “cases”, 5.4% (probably 22 cases) were of the South African variant and 94.6% (probably 378 case) were of other COVID-19 variants. This study (well designed, IMHO) has results that CLEARLY show that the South African variant is clearly much more likely to “breakthrough” than are the non South African variants. THAT’S ALL IT SHOWS AND THAT WAS WHAT IT WAS DESIGNED TO LOOK FOR. It certainly does NOT show you’re more likely to get infected by the South African variant if you’re vaccinated than if you were NOT vaccinated as some of the MATH CHALLENGED are alleging.
I apologize for any misspellings, grammatical mistakes or lack of clarity that may exist in the above.
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