Posted on 01/29/2021 6:54:53 PM PST by dynachrome
A list of comorbids is available from Pennsylvania. It’s interesting, surprising and then after more thought, not surprising.
In order of prominence among the dead:
1) Dementia
2) Hypertension
3) Diabetes
way down the list . . . Obesity
First of all, survival is very likely for the whole population, but the whole population is not 60+ yrs old. It’s much less likely at older age.
Second . . . the idea that if you’re old but don’t have a comorbidity you’re okay . . . doesn’t really fly. 77% of people over 65 have hypertension.
Lastly, the new variant down in the city of 2 million, Manaus, Brazil has many in the sample of infected who already had Covid. This is bad.
gas dr is correct. These are not live vaccines, though I understand China is developing live vaccines. Big surprise there.
That said, I have had the vaccination. I am only doing it because it is what I do in my profession, and I am hoping it will put my wife at ease who is very anxious. I have risk factors, but if it were up to me, I would take my chances because as an American, if I maintain we should not have shut the country down, I need to be prepared (and am prepared) to live life regardless of this ‘risk’.
The Coronavirus is real and to some people dangerous. The virus is no hoax.
The reaction of this country and this government is a hoax. I would understand this kind of response to something like Bubonic Plague, but not only is this not that, they wouldn’t have to have the government mandate quarantine and immunizations.
With a 40% mortality rate, people would be fighting each other to get the vaccination no matter how dangerous, and they would be wearing biohazard suits and barricading themselves in their houses.
But this is not that.
We should have been protecting people who were at serious risk and allowing others to make the individual choice to protect themselves if they wish.
The hoax was how this country has handled it.
It’s very much a moral/ethical issue. How much elderly excess deaths will society tolerate with no measures taken that might harm the economy.
For right now, with March only weeks away, the March-March time frame has deaths of all causes far above the multi year average for 65+ people. It looks like 25% more deaths at that age cohort are going to occur (and there is no evidence of elevated suicide).
So . . . 25% more deaths than normal 65+ and that’s with the measures in place. If the measures are undone, one must presume it will be more than 25%. So we have to decide what’s acceptable . . . 50% . . . 70%? At what point does society say okay, we have to have measures.
Think of it this way. The way vaccines work is that they stimulate your body’s immune system to create a defense against a pathogen and provide immunity.
There are a variety of ways of do it. The first vaccinations done for smallpox were done simply by breaking a person’s skin deep enough to put the pus or exudation from a sick or dead patient and trigger a response. People did die from it, and often.
Most of the time, what you want to do is introduce something into the body that is less harmful or not harmful, and make the body think it is bad so that it produces antibodies that will attack the real thing should it appear.
Pretty amazing device, is our immune system.
I am not an anti-vaxxer, but neither do I support forcing people at the point of a real gun or the point of a gun called “social pressure” to get a vaccine.
I think that should be a personal decision.
There has not been a real and honest cost assessment of this, IMO.
The people making decisions have done it based on emotion and fear.
Bankrupting this country and future generations is not a wise reaction to a virus shown to have about a 2% overall mortality rate that is heavily weighted towards the elderly, sick, and those with co-morbidities.
Those people at risk who cannot protect themselves should be protected. Those of sound mind who are at risk should be allowed to make their own decisions and take any action to protect themselves they deem fit, including wearing a biohazard suit in public, and everyone should respect that decision.
And if people want to open a business, attend a church or a rally or whatever, they should be free to do that as well.
This is not the Bubonic Plague.
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The article said a staffer in the Boston office had Covid a little earlier. It is not clear if the Congressperson had been in Boston at that time.
I understand this is some RNA changing vaccine and doesnt work like typical vaccines, although I dont understand how.
No kickbacks, free 3-martini lunches, or happy Democrat massages for Lynch this week.
The NSA and the rest of the Five Eyes must love work-from-home because they record everyone and everything for later blackmail harvesting. There's a reason cell phone companies have never allowed easy end-to-end encryption.
Basically - they inject mRNA into your bloodstream which binds with some of your cells. Normally your cells produce amino acids and other byproducts that your body makes use of - but this mRNA makes them temporarily produce a “protein structure” that looks like the virus and triggers your immune system to fight it. Once the cell has consumed the mRNA (or the cell just dies off as normal) then everything “goes back to normal” - in theory. No mRNA treatment like this has ever been approved because it never gets past the testing/safety stage.
Now it does NOT alter your DNA so there’s no concern on that point - but unlike injecting a dead virus into your body this one mucks about with your cellular processes to MAKE the virus clone.
It SHOULD be safe but, frankly, I’m treating the whole thing like Windows 1.0 and I’ll happily wait for the “beta testing” to be done by others before I adopt...
Didn’t the who just say that the tests were only 50 percent accurate. Not to worry as China has developed a test where they stick it up your a@@!
Well said
The vaccine doesn’t prevent one from acquiring or transmitting the virus. It only prevents the symptoms.
A good friend of mine of many decades is a retired anesthesiologist, but he began his medical career in family practice. He is 89 years old and he has stories to tell about public health of the past. Particularly polio. The statistics on polio were quite small. But because it was affecting children the impact was greatly amplified.
Decisions about polio were also made from emotion.
Tuberculosis, more than any sort of frontier spirit, sent people West. A study came out indicating that the disease would be less symptomatic, and less deadly, if patients breathed very clean air. So the phrase Go West Young Man arrived on the scene, and it came from brochures printed by Western towns hyping their very clean air in the mountains of Denver and elsewhere. Those towns needed population.
So the disease defined their policy, and when the patients arrived at the city limits they were often kept out.
My point I suppose is that this is not the first time disease has compelled government policy. TB has some similarities. Many infected people are asymptomatic. They’re walking around infecting people. 25% of the world’s population is infected with TB. About 1.5 million people die of it each year even with antibiotics, the most of those deaths do not received the entire treatment regimen which is multiple drugs over a long. Of time.
Coronavirus is not polio which is a crippling disease that incurs a life of costs, treatment, disability, and pain because it disproportionally strikes young children who have yet to live their lives.
My point is not that government has no role in these things. My point is that government's role in THIS, a pathogen that has a small mortality rate disproportionally weighted towards the elderly, was completely mishandled, and done so deliberately for political reasons, in my opinion.
yikes, previous post typos from microphone conversion.
The problem with political over-reaction as a theory is that the reaction has been global.
Another friend of mine thinks in terms of life-years lost. Yes, it’s the elderly. But in today’s world an 85 year old has a life expectancy of 6 yrs. It’s not as if the virus is just chopping a few weeks off someone about to die regardless. They had 6 more years of sunrises and knowing their grandchildren ahead of them.
There was a theory floating around in summer that the elderly dying then were just being pulled forward a few months from winter and winter would see many fewer deaths. That one didn’t work out. Pre covid, the elderly die in far greater numbers in winter than summer, and that got amplified post covid.
There is one last fly in the government measures ointment. 80% of deaths have been 65+. 20% have been under 65. Those are not trivial death counts.
My point is that government’s role in THIS, a pathogen that has a small mortality rate disproportionally weighted towards the elderly, was completely mishandled, and done so deliberately for political reasons, in my opinion.
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Definitely agree with you on this...
According to the initial 15 day test period that ALL would be well is anyone over 65 or so locked themselves away from the rest of the world...etc etc etc
I ‘joked’ that I had a fauxi ID saying I was 62...
In the intial diagnosis, if it was correct, I AM DEAD.
I don’t/won’t/can’t wear the mask and I also have a built in ‘contempt’ as having survived TB in the 40s, Polio in the 50s, in 1957 in the middle of a WORLD PANDEMIC for Asian Flu, I was aboard a ship that sailed from San Diego to ASIA and the only social distancing we had on the old APA was NONE.
Through in the other chicken little incidents etc and the fact that unless USN snuck one or two in I have NEVER taken the flu shot and don’t intend to start with this crap.
Lest ‘the sky is falling crowd’ thinks I am insensitive to your needs, when I tried to keep people at ‘arms length’ I was considered anti social for not believing in hugs and avoiding handshakes whenever possible.
Also, I have enough common sense that I will NOT go out and mingle if I am ‘sick’.
BTW both my mother and father were RNs and worked in sanitariums and state hospitals in the 40s & 50s so I guess there was a good chance of them ‘bringing it home.
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It’s true. The vaccines of this type do not stop the viruses. They only trick the immune system into ignoring the virus, so you don’t get infection, so you have reduced symptoms. You still can contract the virus and transmit it to others.
And you may be more susceptible to being killed by other viruses because your immune system has been “reprogrammed.”
By hoax, you mean a carefully thought out operation to destroy a country. And arguably the greatest President this country has ever known?
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