In the New York Times, the North is still fighting the war against the South

American Thinker ^ | 12/29/2020 | Andrea Widburg

[JudgemAll]

For one thing, this country imports racists and Nazis, under the cover of muslims and hispanic illegals. We think that because they are brown they must not be racist Nazis, which is not true at all. Entire KkK chapters are made of Mexicans.

Control the border to keep the nut cases out and poof! the racism problem in America will greatly diminish. Busing was also designed to provoke. Welfare also is a form of National Socialism, providing race based entitlements.

[euram]

I’ve noticed that for many years. The north ALWAYS accuses the south of continuing to fight the Civil War, when it is in fact the north that is ALWAYS the one bringing it up.

I’ve called it Sore Winner Syndrome. They believe that the South should have ceased to be Southern. Plus, I think that some northerners are still a little bit afraid that the South might really “rise again”.

BTW, I’m from Minnesota, but grew up in TN, TX, and spent 2 years in AL while in the Army.

[CodeToad]

“The sister/wife jokes are unbearable.”

She’s heard them before. :)

[BroJoeK]

ZephyrTX: "The truth of the matter is that the War Between the States has never ended."

Sorry, but you totally misunderstand.
There is no "war between the states", never really was.
There is now and always was a war of Democrats against the United States.
Only their specific issues & tactics have changed, but Democrats have always been the people who hated the United States and want to see it "transformed" under their rule, or destroyed if not -- rule or ruin.

ZephyrTX: "In Houston, there is a war between the Blacks and the Hispanics, and then between both of those cultures and the Whites.
When I was a teacher, I stood between these races to distract them from each other or arguments would happen."

So you've stood on the front lines of culture wars -- thanks so much for your service, no need for you to be ashamed of anything Northern or Southern, because it's not about that.
It's about who loves their country & wants to preserve it and who hates us and wants to see us destroyed.

ZephyrTX: "How any of the other cultures made it through - Viet Namese, Sudanese, Caribbean, etc. escaped me.
I didn’t understand racism then.
I don’t understand it now."

It's pretty simple, really: people who love us and work hard to make it here usually do better than those who hate us and want to see us destroyed.
Imagine that!

[icclearly]

This article is spot on. Many books have been written about the North/South divide during and leading up to the CW in 1861. In fact, below are three excellent books that talk about the differences between the north and south and even the same division that occurred before the country was settled in England. In other words, this country was initially settled by Anglo’s who came from different parts of England. They had their differences there and brought them here to different parts of this country (north, south, Appalachia & PA [Quakers]). In fact, some historians have the opinion that the English Civil War, the American Revolution, and our Civil War was one long string of disagreement among essentially the same people.

And yes, it still exists to this day — except the area has expanded significantly with migration.

The Cousins Wars, Kevin Phillips
https://bit.ly/2Jr8kJR

Albion’s Seed, David Hackett Fischer
http://bit.ly/2Ir3J3M

The Real Lincoln, Thomas J. DiLorenzo
https://bit.ly/2WqHuV0

I am of the firm opinion that the divide we see today is the same divide except larger and not as geographical as in the past (migration and modern travel has seen to that).

Isn’t it interesting that the divide still exists with religion (the demeaning of those who believe in a God above). Anyone remember, “....clinging to their guns and bibles?”

Finally, to illustrate that, I was born and raised in the deep south. In the late 70’s I moved to Atlanta. My first reaction was, Atlanta is not like the south I knew. Even then the growth came primarily from the north and even internationally. Here we are in 2020 and any voting machine will prove that to be true. I had friends who had moved there from the north and they were ecstatic about the hospitality and friendliness of the place. I’m sure it was based on where they came from.

That was 40 years ago. Oh, how it changed. They brought their habits with them — including voting.

Nothing stays the same.

[mo]

“They brought their habits with them — including voting.”

ehh...more probably “voter fraud” -thats how progressives take a red state to purple to blue. Take advantage of the locals trusting their local precinct election processes.

[BroJoeK]

euram: "I’ve noticed that for many years.
The north ALWAYS accuses the south of continuing to fight the Civil War, when it is in fact the north that is ALWAYS the one bringing it up."

On Free Republic it is ALWAYS and ONLY our Southern Lost Causers who constantly pick at Civil War scabs, complaining endlessly about alleged injustices against Confederates some 160 years ago.

Defenders of the Unites States then respond, defending against the misrepresentations of our Lost Cause brethren.

[Tennessee Conservative]

My ancestors were Scottish immigrants that came here during the Clearances and settled in the Appalachian mountains. They fought with Washington during the revolutionary war. They were Republican during the Civil war and still are. They tried to stay out of the war. They did not own slaves. They were farmers.

I get tired of people believing that all southerners are racist. My ancestors eventually entered the fight on the side of the confederacy only after their farms were burned and they were attacked by union soldiers only for being southerners.

That war will never be figured out. The next one will be more cut and dry.

[Hatteras]

Must be a nerd joke? Is that from the Harry Potter stories or something?

[Rebelbase]

Yep. And the majority of wealth generated in the New England states was from selling Salt-Cod to Caribbean slave plantations in exchange for Molasses that was distilled into Rum and sold back to England.

[BroJoeK]

icclearly: "The Real Lincoln, Thomas J. DiLorenzo https://bit.ly/2WqHuV0"

DiLorenzo, really?

"Writing for The Daily Beast, Rich Lowry described DiLorenzo's technique in this book as the following: 'His scholarship, such as it is, consists of rummaging through the record for anything he can find to damn Lincoln, stripping it of any nuance or context, and piling on pejorative adjectives.
In DiLorenzo, the Lincoln-haters have found a champion with the judiciousness and the temperament they deserve.' "[23]

Here's another:

"Reviewing for The Independent Review, a think tank associated with DiLorenzo, Richard M. Gamble called the book a "travesty of historical method and documentation".
He said the book was plagued by a "labyrinth of [historical and grammatical] errors", and concluded that DiLorenzo has "earned the ... ridicule of his critics."[24] "

And this:

" In his review for the Claremont Institute, Ken Masugi writes that 'DiLorenzo adopts as his own the fundamental mistake of leftist multi-culturalist historians: confusing the issue of race with the much more fundamental one, which was slavery.'
He noted that in Illinois 'the anti-slavery forces actually joined with racists to keep their state free of slavery, and also free of blacks.'
Masugi called DiLorenzo's work 'shabby' and stated that DiLorenzo's treatment of Lincoln was 'feckless' and that the book is 'truly awful'.[25][26]"

"In a 2009 review of three newly published books on Lincoln, historian Brian Dirck linked the earlier work of Thomas DiLorenzo with that of Lerone Bennett, another critic of Lincoln.
He wrote that 'Few Civil War scholars take Bennett and DiLorenzo seriously, pointing to their narrow political agenda and faulty research.' '[32] "

DiLorenzo is a propagandist trafficking in distortions & lies.

[realcleanguy]

I think for most Northern journalists, their own racism and prejudice comes out in their articles they write. I have been all over this country and the worse racism I have ever experiences is in the San Francisco Bay Area where it is supposed to be the perfection of inclusion. I have witnessed white people with Hillary bumper stickers calling Blacks and Mexican racial slurs at gas stations, and have seen white people demean minorities in stores and businesses. And I have been all over Alabama, Texas, Georgia and South Carolina and never witnessed that.

[DoodleBob]

This throwaway line in the piece -

Indeed, because fewer of them have gone to college, which indoctrinates, rather than educates, I’d say that Southerners are better informed and more intelligent.

- exposes the writer's hidden anti-Southern bias.

For now, I'm going to avoid the "intelligence" comment since there is a genetic vs potential dimension. If the writer is arguing that 300-400 years of living in the south has produced a "more intelligent" gene pool, well, that's a new concept requiring more than a throwaway comment.

Back to the assertion that college education dumbs down people. Sure, there is systemic liberalism in many colleges. That also exists in the MSM, entertainment, and social media "censors." But, having hired and associated with many recent college graduates, I can assure you that any "indoctrination" has been checked at the office door. Indeed, most of the recent graduates seem to understand that college pushes a stupid mix of wokey, pod-eating socialism where it can, but their task was to navigate the minefield and get a degree and an education. Most of the college kids I know were more interested in beer than the impact of patriarchy on post-modern feminism.

Frankly, college is a bit of a training ground for the daily, hand-to-hand combat individuals face with statist narratives. Shielding youths from reality isn't a great way to prepare for life...we want kids who can not only defend tradition but go on the offensive.

But the writer apparently thinks 1) southerners don't pursue higher education as much as non-southerners, and 2) if they did, they'd be indoctrinated. On point #1, the data are mixed. In some reports, the per capita college graduate numbers are higher in the northeast vs south but that's not always the case. Furthermore, college students per capita are higher in many southern states. Thus, at best, the writer Ms Widburg can't do basic research. At worst, she's stupid.

On point #2, well, isn't that special? The writer doesn't say it outright, but her wording about southerners is similar to that of liberals about blacks - "they can't hack it on their own." Parenthetically, the most likely reason for kids to emerge from college unscathed is a strong family - so I suppose the writer thinks southerners can't hack it AND have poor family structures.

I've met plenty of doctorate holders who are dopes and high school dropouts who are decent people - their accent doesn't make a difference. At the same time, there are plenty of sharp people who ARE college educated and idiots who didn't go to college. While I agree the Times has a typical, snobby elitism found in Manhattan (I worked there - it's a thing), the truth is they disdain normal Americans, period. The southerners just happen to be disproportionally normal...THAT is what bothers the Times. To wit: Trump isn't from Mississippi but they HAAAAAATE him.

In short, the writer/American Thinker thinks Southerners are incapable of handling college leftism. Talk about elitism.

[stinkerpot65]

My Alabama uncle tells Auburn jokes.

[rockrr]

My experience was similar to yours - but the mirror opposite. I was born in the PNW but moved south at an early age. So I got to be “Dayum Yankee” growing up.

Then my family moved back to Washington where I now became “Johnny Reb”. Beyond the minor irritation - and a few fistfights - I never minded. I wouldn’t have traded my childhood for anything.

I was taught to be color-blind - within reasonable limits - and it served me well until the likes of Al Sharpton and Barry Soeterro came along.

[Alas Babylon!]

I do, and it’s in my profile.

You should make a profile and put in you live in Alabama, too.

[Alas Babylon!]

I have me an engineering degree from Auburn...
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Which means most times I keep the choo-choo on the tracks.

[farming pharmer]

Must be a nerd joke? Is that from the Harry Potter stories or something?

LOL, have you never read The Hobbit and the Lord Of The Rings? If you haven't, it's time well spent.

Or, go see the movies, they're pretty good (but not as good as the books).

[PLMerite]

“Try being from Alabama. The sister/wife jokes are unbearable.”

We do it to West Virginians with uncle/dad jokes.

[Boogieman]

Well, you can still hold your head up. At least you’re not from Arkansas.