Posted on 10/16/2020 12:20:21 AM PDT by Zhang Fei
You don’t know that. While I’m glad the president came through the infection well, the death rate over’age 70’( which goes all the way up to people in their 90s that probably couldn’t tolerate a vigorous hair cut) is 6%. I have seen medically frail people well into their 80s do just fine with a covid infection and remain relatively asymptomatic. I don’t know where the myth got started that this is certain death for people over 60 but it is not.
slow the spread / flatten the curve - DOESN’T lower deaths. It spreads out the deaths.
STILL it was important to do it. Otherwise, our healthcare system might have been swamped.
GAVE US time to isolate the vulnerable and organize social distancing. And, who knows, maybe actually lower deaths if we slow the spread long enough to develop theraputics and eventually a vaccine.
CZECH REP. mostly dodged the virus until now. So, it is now going through something like what we went through. Though nowhere near as bad as New York or New Jersey.
My God. 2020 and 100 years after the Spanish flu and this is how far we’ve come.
What I have always said is protect the sick and the old and everybody else can live their life and be careful around those people but how do you be careful around grandma or Grandpa when you’re 22 and just got home from a nightclub.
How do you take care of Mom and Pop when you’re 40 or 50 and they are 70 or 80. You are out and about and may have caught the virus.
My mother has a very cold answer. She is 87. She says I want to live my life. Let everybody live life and if I die so be it.
I don’t want to be locked in and I don’t want the country destroyed because of me
She said she lived her life. And she doesn’t want the country’s economy destroyed to spare her and others..
She’s old school. Grew up during the depression. I’m kind of proud of her. I see other older aunts and uncles acting like this is the bubonic plague.
She still picks up three ladies four days a week to go play cards at the senior center period well not since March now.
Therr has to be an in between answer. Cuomo saying one death is too much is insane but that doesn’t mean I want a million or two million elderly people or sick people to die. I don’t have any answers.
It’s cool you know all those regions. I am 52 and I’d always went to casinos :-) I’ve lost my interest in them and it is time to see some places
I’m sure this isn’t true. We all know that only the United States has significant infections/deaths from Covid, because Trump. Everyone is perfectly healthy in countries where Donald Trump isn’t president.
In Czechia, the dying are the old who have immune system deficiencies (overweight, diabetes, high blood pressure etc.). Average age of dead is in the 70s, but there are worrying numbers of 60 and 50 year olds.
The reason for this surge — and the surge is mirrored in Poland and in Slovakia (all with the same climate more or less) is the past 4 weeks have had murderous ups and downs in climate - down to 4 Celsius, up to 20. During a normal year, this would be the time for people to get colds.
Almost word for word what Phoenix, AZ mayor Kate Gallego said back in June. How did that work out?
That is true. I've heard directly from 3 friends who are in high positions in hospitals that
I'm not looking forward to no schools again...
“290k population, and only 24 death” — that’s over 80 deaths per million
dp — pepsionice’s town has a death rate of 83/million. The US death rate per million is 672.
Germany as a whole has 117
Poland 91
Czechia 115
India 81
Are you sure about Slovakia? In the data I’m looking at, Slovakia has an increase in cases but not daily deaths. In fact, the difference in deaths compared to Czechia is so distinct that it would seem to make an interesting A/B analysis assuming the data is correct.
https://covid19.healthdata.org/czechia
https://covid19.healthdata.org/slovakia
Poland seems to be midway between the two as far as its stats.
https://covid19.healthdata.org/poland
For slovakia - compare the average per week now to what it was at the end of August/beginning of september.
For Poland, you’re correct, though we are far larger (38 million) than Czechia (10 million) or Slovakia (5 million)
I really need to start paying more attention.
I used 40,000 or so dead in the US.
Only off by 180,000!!
I need better sleep :)
You can find other areas of the country (old DDR states) where the rate is even less. You can also find high extreme areas (NRW, Bavaria, etc) where serious statistical data exists. Not a lot of rhyme or reason.
When they publish the local daily ‘count’...they list any new deaths (up until three weeks ago...had been stalled at 22 for roughly 90 days), with two since fall started up. They also will state if the person had secondary issues and their age. Out of the 24...if memory serves me on this...20 of them were over seventy, and the vast number (maybe 20) had secondary conditions.
I don’t know what to attribute the luck to....maybe people with good sanitation habits, maybe Vitamin D levels, hand-washing, apple-wine being high use item locally, etc. People are hyped-up on using alcohol gel on a continual basis after exiting stores/shops. Obsession over masks as well. I stood one day in a store and watched a guy cough...in the landscape, around 8 Germans reacted and either exited the store or went to other aisles.
Seriously though - sleep is needed. Right through summer I’ve been focusing on losing weight and getting into shape by no fried stuff and no alcohol (the latter is difficult when you have a 9 year old going crazy).
But more sleep is needed - get your 8 hours and your body will be in better position to fight off the germs
it’s the same here. Poles are if anything more hyperchondriacs than any other country I’ve seen (heck they have regular “sales” at the aptekas!)
Are you looking at cases or deaths? Both Czechia and Slovakia show a sharp increase in cases, but Slovakia has only a slight increase in daily deaths.
Slovakia’s daily deaths/million is currently around 0.2 and Czechia’s around 4. IOW a 20X difference. Poland is in-between at about 2 deaths/million.
This is based on their data overlaid on the same plot here:
https://covid19.healthdata.org/slovakia?view=daily-deaths&tab=compare
You have a 9 year old. That’s nice :)
Work mainly. Czech Republic was a weekend stop between Germany and Poland. I highly recommend Prague to anyone.
Agreed. I’m literally in a different country almost weekly. Poland, Germany, The Netherlands, Switzerland, Italy, Croatia, Czech Republic, Romania just in the past three months... Lol!
My anecdotal evidence is always it’s noting like what the media portrays. Two months ago when I was in Poznan Poland the US media was saying that the streets were empty and everyone was fearful of the second COVID wave. Not even close in person!
But I am curious what this fall will look like. I just keep taking my vitamin C and Zinc and hope for the best. Oh and I’m tested almost weekly.
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