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Yes, China's Navy Could Out Build America in a War
https://nationalinterest.org ^ | October 10, 2020 | by James Holmes

Posted on 10/12/2020 9:23:51 AM PDT by RomanSoldier19

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To: fatman6502002

And if the “first strike” takes out satellites and lands a few hypersonic weapons on our homeland...then what I wrote is pretty damned likely.

I am not sure where you are getting the idea I don’t think the US will fight back.

You are more interested in coming across like your side is the only side.

What I do know is that for every tech that has ever been invented, someone is working to overcome it ten minutes later.

Both of us know that we have no idea what either side has. But I do know that all of our high tech was beaten by 20 half retarded zealots with box cutters. And the Chinese are a lot smarter than those guys.


61 posted on 10/12/2020 5:28:31 PM PDT by Vermont Lt
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To: fatman6502002

We have the best world-wide network of sensors in the world, we have the best technical intel gathering the world has ever seen and basically a 24/7 watch on a lot of the world, especially our enemies.

Good thoughts and really hate to be a bit contrary but anyway:
1. 9/11
2. Government must have the will to use the intel effectively and win


62 posted on 10/12/2020 9:14:47 PM PDT by JerryBlackwell (some animals are more equal than others)
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To: JerryBlackwell

9-11 was failure mainly due to the Wall Memo, if not for that the plot might well have been stopped.


63 posted on 10/13/2020 2:00:08 AM PDT by fatman6502002 ((The Team The Team The Team - Bo Schembechler circa 1969))
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To: DoughtyOne
Free Trade with China... What could go wrong?

Exactly. I think China knew that the industrial might of the USA with its prodigious output - and heart and wisdom to use it - was essential to victory in WW1 and WW2, and that China needed to transfer that to herself. Check out this past thread. How ridiculous was American production in World War 2? [images at link]. Now I think we only have about 2 shipyards that can build a carrier and it may take years to repair the USS Bonhomme Richard.

64 posted on 10/13/2020 4:18:50 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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To: Midwesterner53
Our Navy and military in general is more interested in diversity and political correctness than war fighting. Nothing has changed on that since 2009.

Yes, and the liberal US has effectively chosen to go to war against God, and which is always a losing situation in the end.

65 posted on 10/13/2020 4:27:09 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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To: RomanSoldier19
We could not fight WW2 on its terms today, while mot being able to match China's industrial capacity and adaptability due to the lack of it, as well as character. Even Covid-19 was traumatic.

How ridiculous was American production in World War 2? [images at link]
Quora ^ | 2019 | Chris Morehouse

Posted on 11/12/2019, 8:47:32 PM by daniel1212

Chris Morehouse, Aerospace Engineer at U.S. Air Force (2017-present)

We can just put up a bunch of numbers, but I don’t think that gives a full appreciation of scale. So first let’s hit some specific examples.

The B-24

This is Willow Run. It was a B-24 plant built by Ford to mass produce the bomber. It ran its line 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, and produced a complete B-24 every 63 minutes on average. At peak, it produced 100 bombers in just two days.

This plant produced less than half of the total B-24s we built during the war.

That is just one plant, producing one type of aircraft. We had literally had thousand of plants like this, producing everything from tanks to field dressings.

The Liberty Ships

This is a Liberty Ship. It was a 14,000 ton cargo ship used for carrying essential war materials from the US to our allies and troops during WW2.

Let’s see how they come to be.

[see images at link )

Wait - where did you all come from?

America had 18 dry docks building Liberty Ships during WW2. Whereas typically riveted ships of the day took months to build, the Liberty Ships went from nothing to ready to launch in an average of 42 days in those dry docks. They were welded instead of riveted, and only built for a 5-year life span.

Forty-two days doesn’t seem very fast? Well I did say that was an average. The first Liberty ship took 230 days to complete. The fastest built ship took less than five days. That is a 14,000 ton ship from laying the keel to launch in less than five days.

We built 2,710 of these ships during the war.

The Sherman

Here we have the M4 Sherman Tank. This was a medium tank, and the primary tank of the US Army during the war. It has received a lot of criticism both then and now as being too light for the competition, having an undersized gun and the liability of a gas burning (instead of diesel) engine. For all that, it was still a very successful tank. One of its best features… it lent itself to mass production.

Above is the Detroit Arsenal Tank Plant. This plant was built by Chrysler for the US Army and was the country's first government-owned, contractor-operated tank plant. Shown in the picture is the assembly of the M4A4 Sherman tanks.

This 113-acre plant built Lee, Sherman and Pershing tanks during the war and was only one of nine plants that built the Sherman. Between the nine plants, 49,234 Sherman tanks were built during the war, accounting for about half of the tanks the US produced during the war. Yeah, half again.

The Flat Tops

While we were building Liberty Ships as if we were breeding rabbits, we had to also build some fighting ships. To this end we built a whole bunch of shipyards.

Here we have a portion of the Boston Naval Yard in 1943. In the large slipway on the left you can see a monster of a ship. That would be the USS Iowa, a big-ass Battleship. We built eight battleships during WW2, and repaired several more that got a rough start at Pearl Harbor. But what I want to point out is the long flat guy in the center top. That is the USS Bunker Hill, an Essex Class Aircraft Carrier.

The Essex Class Carriers were a mainstay of the American Carrier Fleet. They were the Navy’s new wonder weapons, and the Navy could not possibly have enough of them. The Essex could carry 90–100 aircraft, had a crew of about 2600 and could take a lickin’ and keep on tickin’.

The Navy built 24 of these babies during WW2.

Here is the Bunker Hill right after being launched on December 7th 1942, exactly one year after the attack on Pearl Harbor. It joined the fleet as one new carrier out of the 141 Aircraft Carriers we would build during the war. No, that number is not a typo. The United States built and launched 141 Aircraft Carriers of all classes during the war. To protect them we built 498 escort ships (Corvettes and Frigates)

(Above: Buckley Class Destroyer Escort, 148 built) As well as 349 destroyers (Above: Fletcher Class Destroyer, 175 Built).

We can go on and on, but the fact of the matter is the US was one giant, war-material-producing machine during WW2. We easily out-produced every other participant in the conflict, and at the same time created an entire NEW industry which produced the first nuclear chain reaction, uranium enrichment infrastructure, plutonium production plants and atomic reactors and weapons. We literally invented a new industry while building all this other stuff, creating massive industrial plants for the various type of chemical and physical uranium enrichment processes, as well as testing and production facilities for the weapons themselves.

It is honestly hard to fully grasp the magnitude of the industrial might that was leveraged during the conflict. But hopefully this has given you some appreciation for the monumental effort put forth by American industry and the American people.

66 posted on 10/13/2020 4:43:14 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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