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India set to pose growing challenge to China at sea; New Delhi is developing its strategic partnership with the US, Australia and Japan as part of efforts to counter China’s growing influence in the Indian Ocean
South China Morning Post ^ | 07/05/2020 | Liu Zhen

Posted on 07/05/2020 11:08:19 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

India is likely to pose an increased challenge to China at sea following their recent confrontation on land, analysts said.

Last week, the Indian Navy and Japanese Maritime Self-Defence Force held a joint exercise in the Indian Ocean, as part of the nascent “Quad” that also involves the United States and Australia.

India has already held regular bilateral exercises with the other three armed forces and has said it might invite Australia to join the “Malabar” war games it holds with Japan and the US.

Lin Minwang, deputy director of Fudan University’s Centre for South Asian Studies, said the country’s relationship with the US had already developed into a quasi-alliance.

In recent years New Delhi has signed several agreements with Washington, some of which have significant military implications.

These deals include the Logistics Exchange Memorandum of Agreement to enable the use of each other’s land, air and naval bases for repair and resupply; the Communications Compatibility and Security Agreement that opened the way for sales of sensitive US military equipment; and the General Security of Military Information Agreement to share classified information.

Discussions are also under way to place liaison officers in each other’s commands.

Prime Minister Narendra Modi has also set out plans for an “Indo-Pacific Oceans Initiative” to ensure security at sea that echoes similar proposals by the US.

“India’s strategic concern is targeted at China,” Lin said.

(Excerpt) Read more at scmp.com ...


TOPICS: Australia/New Zealand; Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Japan; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: australia; china; india; indianocean; japan; kag; maga; narendramodi; trump
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1 posted on 07/05/2020 11:08:19 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

If things should get “hot” the media will side with China.
If things get hot with Russia, the media will side with Russia.
Should the U.S. get into a conflice with anyone, the media will side with them.

When, oh when, will we declare the media an enemy and let the people take care of things on their own?

We promise to do a very thorough job.


2 posted on 07/05/2020 11:12:05 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: SeekAndFind

Interesting. Thanks. It occurs to me that a brief, but fast all out nuclear exchange between India and China would, in the long run, go a long way to solving global warming.


3 posted on 07/05/2020 11:22:21 AM PDT by Rich21IE
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To: SeekAndFind

Shocking, stand bye Ping...


4 posted on 07/05/2020 11:26:22 AM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Da Coyote

Fewer and fewer people are buying the Marxist legacy papers,they’re all dying.Fewer and fewer people are watching the See BS Evening News.


5 posted on 07/05/2020 11:26:37 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (The Rats Just Can't Get Over The Fact That They Lost A Rigged Election!)
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To: Rich21IE

And if India’s Air Force has any talent it would go a long way to solving the world’s population problem as well.


6 posted on 07/05/2020 11:28:02 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (The Rats Just Can't Get Over The Fact That They Lost A Rigged Election!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Partnership, sure take back all Indians, turn over nukes to US, end intellectual property theft, focus on pathetic cesspool tribal evil in India. Leave the rest of the world alone.


7 posted on 07/05/2020 11:29:51 AM PDT by Reno89519 (Buy American, Hire American! End All Worker Visa Programs. Replace Visa Workers w/ American Workers)
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To: SeekAndFind
> India is likely to pose an increased challenge to China at sea <

This is good news. The next time an Indian scammer calls me, I’m going to say “Quit yer scamming, and join the navy.”


8 posted on 07/05/2020 11:32:33 AM PDT by Leaning Right (I have already previewed or do not wish to preview this composition.)
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To: Leaning Right

Maybe their scammers need to learn Chinese and start scamming them.


9 posted on 07/05/2020 11:34:00 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: Rich21IE

Such a nuclear exchange would do wonders for the US economy as well.

India spent decades heading the “non-aligned nations” during the Cold War; let them go this alone - or with other “non-aligned nations”.


10 posted on 07/05/2020 12:11:45 PM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: kearnyirish2

Let filthy India and brutal Communist China kill each other. We don’t care. None of our business. Both dot Indians and Communist Chinese are the most racist people on the planet.

They both are ruining the US - India with jobs and Communist China with manufacturing.

Kick them out and let them fight each other.


11 posted on 07/05/2020 12:22:38 PM PDT by Starcitizen (Communist China needs to be treated like the pariah country it is. Send it back to 1971)
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To: Starcitizen

Our politicians and elites sold out our middle class to these savages; I won’t shed a tear if they go to war for 100 years.


12 posted on 07/05/2020 12:28:19 PM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: Leaning Right

Is he India’s “Peggy?”


13 posted on 07/05/2020 12:35:30 PM PDT by ASA Vet (After all this time, Democrats are still upset we freed their slaves.)
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To: SeekAndFind

China is accumulating enemies, and driving them into alliance against China.

You reap what you sow.


14 posted on 07/05/2020 1:03:56 PM PDT by BeauBo
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To: kearnyirish2

[Our politicians and elites sold out our middle class to these savages; I won’t shed a tear if they go to war for 100 years.]


They won’t go to war for 100 years. Japan would have pacified China in less than 10, if it hadn’t attacked Pearl Harbor, as well as the European powers, thereby expanding its list of large and well-resourced adversaries well beyond its ability to handle. China could so something similar in India.

As to nukes, people float the idea of using nukes like they’re playing a computer game, where you simply restart the game once your character is killed. In real life, it’s very unlikely. The US has floated the use of nukes probably a dozen times since they were invented. It has used them precisely twice.

Nukes are never an option against a nuclear power with 2nd strike capability. The logic of nuclear weapons use dictates that any strike be an all-out attack to destroy the enemy’s command and control as well as its 2nd strike capabilities. That means cities and rocket bases. If you are going to kill millions of the enemy, you’d better kill them all. Because nuclear retaliation is guaranteed if you fail.

If India does a first strike, it needs to ensure that China’s SLBM’s are taken care of. That means its short-legged Kilo subs need to know where China’s SLBM-carrying subs are, and take them out before Beijing can get in touch with those subs with targeting information. Bottom line is that even if Modi kills a few hundred million Chinese, he risks tens of millions of Indian dead. Seems like a huge price to pay for a parcel of uninhabitable wasteland.

It will never be an option even in the event of conventional defeat. Losing land vs being made extinct? The choice is easy. Whereas any country that launches nukes against a nuclear power in possession of at least hundreds of nukes can expect to have its major cities and their inhabitants cremated. Nuclear doctrine is written to deter. When nuclear deterrence (to conventional invasion) fails, I expect committing suicide by initiating a first strike is a much tougher decision than the dry-as-dust documents would suggest.

Hitler tried to pull the temple down around him. I doubt any other leader, democratic or otherwise, would. Hitler wasn’t right in the head.


15 posted on 07/05/2020 5:16:39 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room.)
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To: Zhang Fei

Japan had no chance of ever completing a conquest of China; when the war ended there were a million armed Japanese troops in China, and they never came close to winning. They invaded Manchuria in 1931, and in the next 14 years never even took a third of the country. The population and geography weren’t in their favor; India is in better shape on both counts.


16 posted on 07/05/2020 6:02:04 PM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: kearnyirish2

[Japan had no chance of ever completing a conquest of China; when the war ended there were a million armed Japanese troops in China, and they never came close to winning. They invaded Manchuria in 1931, and in the next 14 years never even took a third of the country.]


That’s because they expanded huge amounts of resources on invading Western assets and supplying far-flung forces across the Pacific. The Mongols and Manchurians pacified China with far fewer resources.

Japan’s problem is that it not only took on the US and multiple European powers - it also augmented the resources of Chinese forces it was fighting because Japan’s attacks outside of China caused the West to keep Chinese forces alive via resupply operations. That degree of financial and logistical support wasn’t in place to any significant degree prior to Japan’s attacks on Western interests in the Far East. Japan’s decision makers saw Hitler’s smash-and-grab operation in Poland and France and the low countries completed in mere weeks and somehow thought they could do this across an entire ocean.


17 posted on 07/05/2020 6:39:10 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Australia and India have signed a key defence treaty recently that allows the two countries access to each others military bases - India, Australia sign defense, trade deals to bolster ties
18 posted on 07/05/2020 8:05:38 PM PDT by Moorings
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19 posted on 07/05/2020 9:25:29 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: Zhang Fei

Japan DID succeed in smashing and grabbing very quickly; the problem for them was they had to extend their power out further to create a buffer zone out of a few islands (hence the bombing of Pearl Harbor and attempt to take Midway) - because no matter how quickly they spread through southeast Asia and Chinese mainland, they couldn’t have bombers show up over Tokyo as they did in the Doolittle Raid from the east.


20 posted on 07/06/2020 3:08:54 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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