China Fears Admitting Galwan Casualties May Lead To Unrest: Dissident

NDTV ^ | 7.1.2020

[libh8er]

Washington DC: Disgruntled retired and serving Chinese Army cadres, who are hurt by the treatment meted out by the government, can launch an "armed" anti-regime action against Xi Jinping's government, said Jianli Yang, a Chinese dissident and son of a former Communist Party leader. In an opinion piece in The Washington Post, Jianli Yang, the founder and president of Citizen Power Initiatives for China, writes that Beijing fears that the admitting that it had lost troops, that too more in number than its opponent, could lead to major domestic unrest that can even put the regime of Chinese Communist Party (CCP) at stake.

"The PLA has long been a key pillar of the CCP's power. If the sentiments of the serving PLA cadres are hurt and they get together with the millions of disgruntled veterans (which may be facilitated by those within the PLA who are already unhappy with Xi -- and there are thousands of them, such as those who were hurt by Xi's move to separate PLA from commercial activities), they could form a formidable force capable of challenging Xi's leadership," he writes.

"Significantly, the CCP leadership cannot afford to undermine the veterans' potential to launch a collective and armed anti-regime action. Hence, the continuing incidence of veterans' protests, despite significant coercive pressure and bureaucratic measures, is a source of intense anxiety for Xi Jinping and the CCP leadership," he adds.

Jianli cited the recent example of the recent face-off between Indian and Chinese troops at Galwan Valley, during which both sides suffered casualties.

When asked to confirm the number of casualties China had suffered in the recent clash in the Galwan Valley, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson Zhao Lijian did not acknowledge that there were casualties on the Chinese side, saying "I have no information to offer."

Yet again, when the question was posed the next day (June 23), Zhao avoided giving any details from the Chinese side, but was quick to retort that Indian media reports claiming that at least 40 Chinese soldiers were killed was "false information".

"Even a week after the incident, China has refused to publicly admit that there had been casualties on its side, while India paid the last homage to its martyrs with full state honours," Jianli states.

Jianli is of the view that at the root of this fear is the simmering resentment running in the hearts and minds of 57 million veterans of China's PLA.

He explains that veterans are holding frequent mass protests across China hoping to shame the government into recognising its obligation towards those who battled along the country's borders in the past.

"If this is the treatment meted out by the CCP regime to the martyrs of today, imagine the plight of PLA veterans, many of whom had participated in the bloody 1979 Sino-Vietnamese War or the Korean War. They have been holding frequent mass protests across China for years now, hoping to shame the government into recognising its obligation toward those who battled along the country's borders in the past," he says.

Jianli says the country which has the world's largest army, does not have a central agency to administer pensions and other benefits to its veterans. Resultantly, veterans are forced to depend on local governments for pensions, medical care and other basic benefits.

"However, due to wide disparity in the financial standings of the local governments, there is no standard or uniformity in what the veterans receive. After having given their youth and shed blood for the country, the veterans find themselves left by the CCP to the mercy of often corrupt local officials, making them feel like donkeys slaughtered after they are too old to work a grindstone," he adds.

[libh8er]

Reposting with link..

[mylife]

Trying to get the world to look away from what they are doing in the s china se

[dp0622]

S China se

A dangerous place :-)

[hinckley buzzard]

Well that won’t work. But I don’t think we yet have a full understanding of Xi’s motives. Certainly, the PLA is the foundation of party control, and how much difference these disgruntled veterans can make is anybody’s guess. I’m not holding my breath waiting for armed rebellion.

[DEPcom]

China refusing to publicly admit that there had been casualties is very interesting. That is much like do not want to admit the number of dead for the Coronavirus.

If China was to get into a shooting war they would loose their public support quickly.

[353FMG]

Unrest in China against the PLA?
Who is he kidding?
The PLA can easily massacre the entire civilian population by having an uninterupted Tianamin Square celebration without losing one party memberor or spilling one adult beverage.

[Zhang Fei]

hb: [Well that won’t work. But I don’t think we yet have a full understanding of Xi’s motives. Certainly, the PLA is the foundation of party control, and how much difference these disgruntled veterans can make is anybody’s guess. I’m not holding my breath waiting for armed rebellion.]

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dc: [China refusing to publicly admit that there had been casualties is very interesting. That is much like do not want to admit the number of dead for the Coronavirus.

If China was to get into a shooting war they would loose their public support quickly.]

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There’s a perception among some Freepers that the Chinese hoi polloi are a bunch of docile drones who will fight to the death for the leader of the moment. That would be a huge change from the historical experience of Chinese rulers, starting with the creation of the unitary Chinese state out of the dozens of independent kingdoms that preceded it. The regime that created this empire collapsed immediately after the First Emperor died.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhao_Gao#Coup_following_Qin_Shi_Huang’s_death

The regime that replaced him was founded by a peasant (the founder of the Han dynasty) - a draft dodger who figured if he was going to be asked to die in service of the emperor, he was better off risking his life fighting *against* the emperor for the very throne he sat on:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emperor_Gaozu_of_Han#Insurrection_against_the_Qin_dynasty

It’s hard to think of a pre-modern European equivalent to this man. Spartacus is close, but his revolt came up snake eyes. Whereas this no-account Chinese peasant (before his rise to the top) created an army from scratch, fought off his adversaries, ancien regime and rebel alike, grabbed the crown and then managed to prevent his ablest generals from seizing the throne from him. And this Chinese redneck’s regime lasted 400 years. And there are two more peasants who followed his unlikely path to power, spaced out by many centuries. One founded the Han dynasty and another founded the Red dynasty of today:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hongwu_Emperor#Early_life
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao_Zedong#Early_life

And these are just the winners. Dozens of almost but not quite winners with peasant backgrounds came within striking distance of the throne. Two of the most prominent:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Li_Zicheng#Early_years
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hong_Xiuquan#Early_life_and_education

[Zhang Fei]

[Unrest in China against the PLA?
Who is he kidding?
The PLA can easily massacre the entire civilian population by having an uninterupted Tianamin Square celebration without losing one party memberor or spilling one adult beverage.]

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Unrest in China doesn’t take the form of demonstrations. Since freedom of speech hasn’t ever existed in that tyranny, armed rebellion tends to be the modus operandi. There’s not a lot of talking with the regime involved, except perhaps in terms of demands for surrender either received or extended. China’s first peasant emperor 2200 years ago was a draft dodger who decided to risk his life fighting for the throne instead of in service of the emperor:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emperor_Gaozu_of_Han#Insurrection_against_the_Qin_dynasty

[Pearls Before Swine]

In the old Soviet Union, one of the charges that could be leveled against an official was “adventurism.”

I think that if the CCP decided to oust Xi, they’d use the same line, especially if China gets slapped on some of its many border aggressions.

[Zhang Fei]

[In the old Soviet Union, one of the charges that could be leveled against an official was “adventurism.”

I think that if the CCP decided to oust Xi, they’d use the same line, especially if China gets slapped on some of its many border aggressions.]

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That’s just a label. This kind of thing is decided behind the scenes, based on whether the coalition of interests Xi assembles is stronger than the coalition aligned against him. They could just as easily get him on corruption (aka party discipline), abuse of power, etc. Currently, Xi seems to have placed his men in most of the key posts, and displaced his rivals. However, those men obviously have their own ambitions independent of his. Kind of the way Jeff Sessions obviously felt his interests outweighed Trump’s.

[Elsie]

..., that too more in number than its opponent,...

Simple fix.

Announce the figures as PERCENTAGES of the population; NOT raw numbers.

At least this is how we in the USA tend to obfuscate the obvious.

[Elsie]

30 dead Chinese

20 dead Indians

https://thelogicalindian.com/fact-check/global-times-chinese-soldiers-indo-china-clash-galwan-valley-21815

 

 

World population (millions, UN estimates)[14]
#	Top ten most populous countries	2000	2015	2030[A]
1	China[B]	1,270	1,376	1,416
2	India	1,053	1,311	1,528
3	United States	283	322	356
4	Indonesia	212	258	295
5	Pakistan	136	208	245
6	Brazil	176	206	228
7	Nigeria	123	182	263
8	Bangladesh	131	161	186
9	Russia	146	146	149
10	Mexico	103	127	148
	World total	6,127	7,349	8,501
Notes: ^ 2030 = Medium variant. ^ China excludes Hong Kong and Macau.