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Official: Pakistani Passenger Plane Crashes Near Karachi
AP - Associated Press / NBC 4 Washington DC ^ | May 22 | Staff

Posted on 05/22/2020 3:59:14 AM PDT by PghBaldy

A passenger plane belonging to state-run airline Pakistani International Airlines has crashed near the southern port city of Karachi, according to Abdul Sattar Kokhar, spokesman for the country's civil aviation authority.

(Excerpt) Read more at nbcwashington.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: a320; airbus; aviation; crash; karachi; pakistan
Apparently 99 passengers and 8 crew.
1 posted on 05/22/2020 3:59:14 AM PDT by PghBaldy
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To: PghBaldy

Who was in charge of feeding the pterodactyl?


2 posted on 05/22/2020 4:13:42 AM PDT by ronnie raygun
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To: PghBaldy

Covid-19 deaths


3 posted on 05/22/2020 4:23:25 AM PDT by Karma_Sherab
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To: PghBaldy

Terrorism?


4 posted on 05/22/2020 4:25:25 AM PDT by rdl6989
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To: PghBaldy

Airbus 310-300


5 posted on 05/22/2020 4:46:03 AM PDT by BroJoeK ((a little historical perspective...))
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“Airbus 310-300”

So?

It’s pakistan, they don’t exactly have the best pilot/airframe mechanic training.... I’d just as soon fly on Aeroflot before flying on some 7th century neanderthal airline.

Hell pakistan is only one or two technological steps above rubbing two sticks together.


6 posted on 05/22/2020 5:55:49 AM PDT by 2CAVTrooper (Political Science degrees, so easy Obama has one.)
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The pilot called air traffic control stating one engine was done. The plane should be able to land safely with one engine so there is much more that went wrong. Perhaps the engine blew up causing other systems to fail.


7 posted on 05/22/2020 6:01:19 AM PDT by C19fan
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9V2pr79BQXE
This video appears to contain part of the Mayday call. I unterstand “we have lost engines”, plural. Not sure though.


8 posted on 05/22/2020 6:13:36 AM PDT by MoraBlack
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To: 2CAVTrooper
"So?"

So, it's not an American plane, whatever went wrong is between the Paks & Euros, nothing to do with us.

Almost always, crashes like this boil down to:

  1. Aircraft design error (very seldom)
  2. poor maintenance (more frequent)
  3. pilot error (most likely)
Or some combination.
Today Pakistani Airlines has 12 Boeing 777s and 12 Airbus 320s, with four more on order.
Soooooo… if the problem turns out to be aircraft related, the Paks might want to think about swapping out their Airbus order for more planes from Boeing.

What do you think?

9 posted on 05/22/2020 6:50:21 AM PDT by BroJoeK ((a little historical perspective...))
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To: C19fan

Turning into a dead engine is a classic mistake.


10 posted on 05/22/2020 7:33:14 AM PDT by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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Per Wikipedia


AP-BLD, the aircraft involved in the accident, in 2016.

11 posted on 05/22/2020 8:39:24 AM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire. Or both.)
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“It appears that the pilot radioed air traffic control (ATC) to report technical problems—an engine failure[10] or landing gear problems.[4] Shortly before contact was lost, ATC told the pilot that he had two available runways at his disposal.[10][14]

“According to PIA’s Chief Executive Officer, Arshad Malik, the pilot told the control room that there was a technical issue and he decided to go around rather than land even though two runways were ready for landing.[13] The pilot reportedly told the controller, “we are returning back, sir, we have lost engines”. Twelve seconds later he issued a Mayday alert.[15] “

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan_International_Airlines_Flight_8303#Crash


12 posted on 05/22/2020 8:42:26 AM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire. Or both.)
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“ Hell pakistan is only one or two technological steps above rubbing two sticks together.”

Except for those pesky nukes and missiles.


13 posted on 05/22/2020 9:28:02 AM PDT by VanShuyten ("...that all the donkeys were dead. I know nothing as to the fate of the less valuable animals.")
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To: PghBaldy

There was a video on YouTube on the “ blancolirio” channel. A planespotter took a photo. The plane did an initial approach and at the last second requested a “go-around”. The planespotter photo is just after they started the go-around. The photo shows the landing
gear up, both engine nacelles damaged and the “rat” (ram air turbine) deployed. That only deploys if both engines lose power. The turbine acts like a generator and makes power for the plane’s electrical and hydraulic systems. The theory is the pilot tried to land the plane gear-up, damaged the engines and then lost both engines on the go-around attempt crashing into a populated area.

CC


14 posted on 05/22/2020 7:56:27 PM PDT by Celtic Conservative (My cats are more amusing than 200 channels worth of TV)
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To: BroJoeK

Oh yeah, swap them for the 737Max which is a 50+/- year old design with patchwork “upgrades” so unreliable that no pilot input is necessary for them to fly into the ground.

Boeing use their bought and paid for Congress critters to force the FAA to bend to their will.

So let’s let the fox guard the henhouse by having Boeing engineers act as FAA “inspectors”... Nah, no conflict of interest there.

https://www.seattletimes.com/business/boeing-aerospace/engineers-say-boeing-pushed-to-limit-safety-testing-in-race-to-certify-planes-including-737-max/

Boeing was once a great company that designed incredibly strong, long lasting and safe aircraft. But that company DIED when they merged with McDonnell Douglas.


15 posted on 05/26/2020 1:32:38 PM PDT by 2CAVTrooper (Political Science degrees, so easy Obama has one.)
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CCTV Footage of PIA Plane Crash...Karachi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIUIn7320Gg


16 posted on 05/26/2020 9:15:10 PM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire. Or both.)
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2CAVTrooper: "Oh yeah, swap them for the 737Max which is a 50+/- year old design with patchwork “upgrades” so unreliable that no pilot input is necessary for them to fly into the ground."

We don't know yet what the problem was in this crash, but in the unlikely event it was an aircraft/engine design problem, the Pakistani's might want to consider replacing their orders for new Airbuses with a Boeing equivalent.
As for the 737-Max, it did have problems in the hands of unqualified pilots, and so is not for sale now until, apparently, Boeing can figure out how to make it 100% idiot-proof.

2CAVTrooper: "Boeing use their bought and paid for Congress critters to force the FAA to bend to their will.
So let’s let the fox guard the henhouse by having Boeing engineers act as FAA “inspectors”... Nah, no conflict of interest there."

Sooo… you're telling us there's politics going on in Washington, DC?
I'm shocked, shocked I tell you.

2CAVTrooper: "Boeing was once a great company that designed incredibly strong, long lasting and safe aircraft.
But that company DIED when they merged with McDonnell Douglas."

Now you're telling us that competition makes manufacturers better than having all the monopoly power they want?
Well, I certainly agree in theory, whether that happened in this particular case is for others to say, I don't know.

But President Trump likes Boeing, and he flies a lot more than I do, so I'll take his word for it, over yours, FRiend.

17 posted on 05/28/2020 3:36:26 AM PDT by BroJoeK ((a little historical perspective...))
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To: BenLurkin

Ow!


18 posted on 05/28/2020 3:40:47 AM PDT by BroJoeK ((a little historical perspective...))
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