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1 posted on 05/01/2020 8:52:24 PM PDT by fwdude
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Marriage is on the decline because the first time my grandmother saw my father kiss my mother, she said they had to get married.

Too extreme? yes :) And they got married because they were in love.

But today, you need a bar, 50 bucks and a bartender who makes strong drinks to bring a girl home to your bed.

Use to be women traded sex for a lifetime of love and caring and commitment

Now they trade it for a few drinks.


2 posted on 05/01/2020 8:59:45 PM PDT by dp0622 (Radicals, racists dloont point fingers at me I'm a small town white boy Just tryin to make ends meet)
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To: fwdude

Homosexuals marrying is a symptom, not the cause of the decline of marriage.


3 posted on 05/01/2020 9:01:12 PM PDT by CitizenUSA (Proverbs 14:34 Righteousness exalts a nation, but sin is a disgrace to any people.)
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Or maybe turning Joe into Pajama Boy. There are a lot of women who don’t want to marry *that*.


7 posted on 05/01/2020 9:08:11 PM PDT by CatOwner
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I believe the “welfare state” destroyed marriage. It used to be that a strong family was needed to survive and succeed in the world. Now the family is an impediment to “success” ... and you just vote for free sh!t when life gets tough.


10 posted on 05/01/2020 9:11:27 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("And somewhere in the darkness ... the gambler, he broke even.")
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I have no problem with Joe marrying Joey [Heatherton].


15 posted on 05/01/2020 9:19:30 PM PDT by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Gone but not forgiven.)
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No fault divorce makes it too easy for people to split up.

First marriages, half divorce. Second marriages 66% fail, and third marriages, about 75% fail.

Divorce stats for gays are as bad or worse, the lifestyle is inherently based on sex whenever, with whoever, wherever.

And women initiate at least 80% of the divorces and do so because they generally benefit far more from divorce than the man, who they can quickly replace with another willing simp.

Too many folks are used to disposable goods and people. Some folks get married deliberately knowing they will file for divorce and reap a big court ordered reward, almost exclusively female. they get married for the other tovpay off their debts, pay off schooling bills, improve their standard of living, and then divorce and the court then demands they be paid to that higher standard of living.

I honestly do not know why any man gets enslaved into such a deal. if it was a business contract they wou’d never sign such a document. yet they p1ss away their personal life on a one-sided contract only enforced on them.

No-fault divorce must be eliminated. Fault divorce needs to be brought back, and must have a high level of proof. If its truly fault divorce it will be easy to confirm. Abandonment, physical, emotional, sexual. Violence, easy to prove with recording, also taking into account who the instigator of the violence is. Habitual Emotional/psychological abuse. Criminal behavior. Reckless financial behavior that one person will not stop doing. Mental illnesses, especially if they will not get help. Drug/substance abuse. Adultery. Getting married under deceptive reasons/lies/fraudulent reasons. If the person is already married and hides this.

Plenty of reasons for fault divorces, and for that to factor into the subsequent division of assets.

Prenups need to be able to be enforced and not tossed out. Right now prenups are virtually worthless and can be tossed out by a judge for any reason the judge can come up with.

People need to have proper counseling about marriage. They do not get proper counseling before going into marriage, not when more than 50% fail.


22 posted on 05/01/2020 9:36:12 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not Averse to Going Bronson.)
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Yes make marriage a joke and fewer will be interested.


26 posted on 05/01/2020 9:43:29 PM PDT by Persevero (I am afraid propriety has been set at naught. - Jane Austen)
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30 years of marriage in two weeks....I can't think of a better way to go through life.

So saddened by the fact that the nation's fertility rate has never been lower and the amount of kids born into a single parent household has never been higher. I hope we soon realize that Dan Quayle was right.

33 posted on 05/01/2020 9:59:37 PM PDT by Archie Bunker on steroids (Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the gove)
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I’m a female Gen Xer—very sad to read these; I have 3 brothers and 3 sons. I hope things improve for men, and soon. The main thing: men need to start voting their own interests. If men are 50% of the US, they should be voting accordingly. Family court would not be so stacked against men if they would vote their own interests. As a female, for the life of me I can’t imagine why any male would vote Democrat. . .


39 posted on 05/01/2020 10:44:55 PM PDT by olivia3boys
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It does seem like more traditional cultures have longer and happier marriages. American men, to put it charitably, seem very confused about what they want from a woman. They’ll say they want a traditional stay-at-home woman in one breath then complain about how women should pull their own weight financially in the next. They’ll condemn women who have premarital sex as sluts and women who won’t as prudes or closet lesbians. If my man’s not happy I’m not going to be happy either. So I married a Taiwanese man who didn’t play these games with me. No regrets. If you want marriage you need to look for someone from a culture that celebrates marriage, not a culture that lauds men as “assertive” for demanding sex by the 3rd date (but a woman who wants marriage is “pushy”).

My husband even lets me vote for Trump ;)


40 posted on 05/01/2020 10:48:40 PM PDT by FormerFRLurker (Keep calm and vote your conscience.)
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Gay marriage had nothing to do with it.

Changing divorce laws, and their application by increasingly man-hostile family court judges, had everything to do with it.

All it takes is for a young man to look around and see guys subjected to divorce-rape to decide that marriage isn’t worth the risks these days.

And I speak as someone happily married for 35 years to a woman who makes an effort to keep me happy. Women like her are rare.


55 posted on 05/02/2020 3:20:04 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (A Leftist can't enjoy life unless they are controlling, hurting, or destroying others)
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Approximately 20 years ago, the Netherlands was the first or one of the first nations to legalize gay marriage. Their hetero marriage rates dropped significantly in the following years.

One of the comments at the site said, “Marriage rates drop; blame the gays.” That’s not the whole story. The blame is with the entire liberal progressive package and those predominantly heterosexual legislators who betrayed children by adopting almost all of its demands.

Legalization and normalization of adult-child sex is the only barrier left; the obligation of society and even the rights of parents to protect children from sex abuse are hanging by a thread.


61 posted on 05/02/2020 4:49:50 AM PDT by Albion Wilde (re: domestic supply chains: "We cannot outsource our independence!" -- Donald J. Trump)
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If you really think about the genesis of marriage breakdown, you have to suspect that the advent of women going to work in factories during WWII was a sea change. For many, it was the first time they had freedom from bearing one baby after another and being tied down for a lifetime to the lone task of motherhood. Childbirth, itself, resulted in death too much of the time back then. My Grandmother was a very healthy and fertile young woman who married at 16. She had 17 babies, the last one at the age of 49. It is no wonder that prosperity after the war caused parents to want their children to have what they didn’t have which was as much education as they could get for all their kids. A generation later, the world was full of Baby Boomer kids who were spoiled and feeling entitled. They hungrily embraced a world of academia which introduced sex, drugs and a feminist revolution, complete with birth control. In addition, adult women were now free to reject the previous state of affairs where married men could cheat but women risked pregnancy if they did. Religious morality broke down then, as well. Women went to work in droves and were in constant contact with men in the workplace. You all know the story..Family breakdown began and the government assisted by giving Mother’s welfare to have babies outside of wedlock. Divorce was now an easy option and women soon figured out that marrying a man with money could be a big payoff in the event of divorce. When those sexual mores became loose, so did others. Now, pretty much anything goes and the marriage certificate, on the face of it, has lost it’s value to our society. The family unit was no longer advantageous when it’s natural order went away. Unfortunately, the downside is greater than the upside is what many young people believe. However, one day, something is going to happen and, maybe, already is, where the natural order of humanity will be reset to what matches Mother nature, herself. In the end, it is physical strength which will count, if we are reduced to our basic needs..Food, clothing, shelter and physical protection. This virus is just a warning, in my opinion. I hope enough people are paying attention and will change some attitudes. This fork in the road may be our last chance to take a hard look at the values that hold us together for the journey. The “here today and gone tomorrow” promise simply does not work for the long haul.


64 posted on 05/02/2020 5:27:52 AM PDT by jazzlite (,)
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Don't just look at the marriage rate, look at the much longer term trend of the divorce rate.

"Gay marriage"(so called) would not have happened in the first place if marriage hadn't already been in serious decline.

78 posted on 05/02/2020 10:30:07 AM PDT by Salman
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Marriage = One Man and One Woman Until Death Do Us Part


80 posted on 05/02/2020 11:37:57 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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