Posted on 04/12/2020 8:12:15 AM PDT by fwdude
“We’re at somewhere near 20,600 deaths right now from COVID-19.”
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No. Don’t ask me to quote my “sources”. I’m too lazy for that little exercise. But, with a tiny bit of research you will find a number of articles about deaths from other causes being counted as “coronavirus” deaths.
Would you think perhaps medical officials/hospital administrators could have a financial incentive to fudge the numbers? (Suspect the government will rush to provide extra cover for hospitals that have to deal with coronavirus deaths.) Especially, since hospital occupancy rates are way down with hospitals everywhere being told to hold off on all elective surgeries. (Florida has around 67,000 hospital beds, and only about 2,600 coronavirus hospitalizations.)
Also, Rush talked about this topic last week. But, don’t take my word for it. Listen only to the talking head medical experts.
You say...“A society should be judged by how it treats its most vulnerable”.
Great let’s use your definition...let’s get herd immunity so that the vulnerable will be safe. Open up the country.
Ah yes, I keep hearing this “commit economic suicide to save grandma” mantra.
I got news for ya: grandma’s gonna starve to death in poverty because the less vulnerable aren’t working to pay into social security and medicare. When the inevitable cuts come, you’d better believe the young masses will have no qualms about putting grandma’s entitlements on the chopping block.
The numbers are “as reported” by the US CDC.
What the hell difference does it make if the deceased had a pre-existing hangnail?
It wouldn’t matter if they had stage-four pancreatic cancer and 2 months to live. They didn’t live 2 months, they died of COVID-19 last Tuesday instead.
Ayn Rand
They are just greedy /fearmonger
To be honest I don't think that is most of their motivation. I just think they are lazy and it is easier to chalk it up to the Kung Flu.
Excellent Point!
Take a looks at the Spanish Flu pandemic in 1918. Many claims then that it was ‘just the flu, nothing to worry about.” Just like democrat politicians encouraged people to celebrate chinese new years in China Town, politicians in Philly encouraged people to attend the parade to sell war bonds. About four days later, a few days people were in the hospitals. A few more days and thousands were sick and hundreds were dying.
FWIW, there were at least three waves of flu in 1918. The first was very similar to our experience today with the coronavirus. Very mild. It came back a few weeks later as a real killer. From 1918 to 1920, at least 650,000 Americans died (pop. 105M). Hundreds of millions died world wide.
Way to early to declare victory.
How can we be sure of those numbers when, apparently, we read that just about ANY death is claimed to be caused by the virus? Then we have the govt paying money to the States for each virus death - talk about an incentive plan!
Once they start fudging like that, all faith in the body count is off the board.
I have exactly the same faith in that number that i have in the original posting’s number of 12,469 in a year due to swine flu.
Why would these numbers be any more (or less) fudged than those?
It’s a specious argument that can only be made if you’re trying to influence, rather than understand.
Then get on the right side. Who do you think is driving this hysteria?
The Swine Flu did not trigger a government imposed halt to the economy. No one needed to ‘fudge’ Swine Flu numbers.
So, then, the old folks should be in quarantine, and the young going about their business.
Face it, a LOT or people are fearful. A natural result of having grown up pampered.
The snarky answer would be "Because obama was in power then".
However, how can you have any confidence when you see articles here and elsewhere about the figures been cooked or otherwise overstated.
It’s a specious argument that can only be made if you’re trying to influence, rather than understand.
No, I'm not trying to influence anyone. They can maintain their naive faith in what the agenda-driven Media and politicians tell them.
Are you saying those two instances I mentioned were untrue?
So true. And guess how easy it will be to roll back many of these mandates. My guess, especially in blue states, is not very easy at all. Many of these mandate will be made permanent, or easily re-enacted on a whim.
I agree. It did not.
It also killed fewer people in a year than this has in three months.
“Are you saying those two instances I mentioned were untrue?”
I’m saying exactly what I’ve written here. Nothing less, nothing more.
If you have proof that this is nothing more than an attempted crash of the US economy... If you can prove that even one death attributed to this virus wasn’t resultant from the decedent being infected... Then you’re doing a disservice to your country by not publicizing it.
I don’t believe anything that I don’t see, or that some clown posts on the internet, if it doesn’t at least have a logical basis. That is to say, there would have to be some tangible benefit from the action, and the parties allegedly responsible would have to have the capability to do it.
Neither of those suppositions are valid in the claim that this is a hoax by the media, or that deaths are not attributable to the causes listed.
In America? Perhaps from the long-term consequences of the extreme Covid captivity? Studies: The Shutdown Is NOT Lives Vs. Dollars, It’s Lives Vs. Lives
About 90 people die each day in the US from crashes (https://www.cdc.gov/vitalsigns/motor-vehicle-safety/index.html) According to CDC statistics, there were 40,231 deaths caused by motor vehicle accidents in 2017. (https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/death-index-top-50-ways-americans-die/47/)
The issue is a consistent proportionate response in terms of costs/benefits.
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