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Bankrupting America
Townhall.com ^ | April 8, 2020 | John Stossel

Posted on 04/08/2020 4:55:29 AM PDT by Kaslin

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To: Alberta's Child

And American Nationalism is rising.


21 posted on 04/08/2020 5:36:55 AM PDT by cowboyusa (America Cowboy Up)
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To: Pontiac
Who is buying them now?

Who buys negative interest rates? But they have them in Europe.

The answer is people looking for a safe place to store money. There are risks and costs with putting it in a vault, or even your local bank.

22 posted on 04/08/2020 5:39:29 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: ClearCase_guy

And it just went up another $2 trillion. And there may be another relief package to follow this one as this stretches on.

-AND-

This $26-30 is PAST debt. Money we have already spent, which we didn’t have or won’t have when it is spent. This doesn’t include FUTURE debt, in the form of unfunded liabilities, which is over $100 Trillion, and some say 200, in future spending on social security, medicare and medicaid for the remainder of the baby boomer lifespans...

This is really bad IMHO. What is the answer? What will happen? I see three possibilities;

1). we wake up, and stop all government spending, entitlements, defense and everything else, and start a repayment plan with the tax revenue, and even if this is possible with Stossel’s growth plan, it just isn’t going to happen in this political climate, with this massively undereducated population in regards to economics. They will always vote for more free stuff.

2). Hyperinflation as we come to the point in this spiral, where we can’t even pay the interest on the debt without borrowing. -Buy precious metals, and maybe cryptocurrency. Get use to a gallon of gas costing an amount with a lot of zeros... A new currency system will be the only way to pull out of this possibility, which will mean a huge transfer of wealth to those with the new currency, whatever that is.

3). The Clowerd Pivon effect has come to what Yuri Bezmenov claimed to be the “crisis” stage, and the economic system is in collapse as people on government benefits and fixed incomes discover their couple thousand dollars a month they live on won’t buy a loaf of bread. Social unrest and demands by an economically ignorant population will demand that the government does SOMETHING.
-And they will. The only thing a government can do, which is to use force to restore order, which in this case will mean confiscation of property and wealth, and probably the dissolution of the Constitution of any meaning.

Good luck folks.


23 posted on 04/08/2020 5:40:14 AM PDT by Wildbill22 ( They have us surrounded again, the poor bastards- Gen Creighton William Abrams)
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To: Kaslin

4th option, cut Government to the bone. Shut it the hell down and what doesnt hurt the country is eliminated and all personel are fired

5th option - fix pensions. Working 5 years in governement should not entitle you to a lifetime pension. Pensions should be rated to 1 1/2 time service. This includes Presidents and other higher officials

6th option - 60% tax on government officials and relatives who have profited from high office. NAnZI Pelosi and her husband should be a great windfall

7th option - citizen oversite. 4th branch of government comprised of citizens compensated to oversee Congressional corruption. Having the wolves regulate wolves doesn’t work. Give them the power to oversee and indicte members of Congress for fraud and embezzlement.


24 posted on 04/08/2020 5:48:41 AM PDT by Bommer (I am a MAGA-Deplorian! It is the way! It is the only way!)
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To: Kaslin
Rep. Alex Mooney asked: "How do you pay for it? Borrow it from China, borrow it from Russia? Are we going to print the money?"

At this rate, the national debt will be pushing $40 trillion by 2025. It was only $5 trillion in 1991. We are screwed.

25 posted on 04/08/2020 5:50:24 AM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (What profits a man if he gains the world but loses his soul?)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Nobody defaults on debt if they can print money.


26 posted on 04/08/2020 5:51:57 AM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (What profits a man if he gains the world but loses his soul?)
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To: Ann Archy

Yep! Big time.


27 posted on 04/08/2020 5:53:10 AM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (What profits a man if he gains the world but loses his soul?)
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To: Pontiac

Who buys a bond or T-Bill that pays 0% interest?

Why would anyone invest in a bond that is guaranteed to lose money.

...

It’s not guaranteed. Rates can go lower and the bond will go up in price.


28 posted on 04/08/2020 5:56:28 AM PDT by Moonman62 (http://www.freerepublic.com/~moonman62/)
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To: BuckeyeGOP

The annual debt is been running $1.2 trillion/year under Trump. I blame the Rats, but it is what it is.

That means $9.t trilion debt during an 8 year presidency. This crisis alone is adding $4-5 trillion in new debt.

We are talking some $15 trillion new debt in Trump’s 2 terms.

The debt is now pushing $25 trillion, so it will be pushing $40 trillion by the time Gavin Newsome or Kamilla Harris wins the presidency in 2024.


29 posted on 04/08/2020 5:57:15 AM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (What profits a man if he gains the world but loses his soul?)
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To: servantboy777; Kaslin
"Tlaib wants to take advantage of an obscure Treasury authority to issue new currency through minting platinum coins, and then give that currency to people," said Carter. "No new debt, no weird Federal Reserve programs, just cash straight to folks."

Really, no new debt?

How exactly will that work?

Will those coins be sold to some one? Who is going to buy a $1 Trillion Dollar coin?

This is a pie in the sky dreamer’s solution that has no chance of working as the people who propose it think it should.

The coins would sit in treasury vault and the money they generate would be the same as every other fictional dollar produced by the Federal Reserve.

30 posted on 04/08/2020 5:58:20 AM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit)
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To: Pontiac

Even if inflation is 3% it is still eating your lunch.

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It’s better than 6% inflation.

It’s also better than an economy that stops growing and producing what we need.

A damaged economy is what causes harmful inflation as evidenced by countries like Venezuela, Zimbabwe, and Iran.


31 posted on 04/08/2020 6:00:55 AM PDT by Moonman62 (http://www.freerepublic.com/~moonman62/)
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To: Wildbill22

That is how it ends. The Russian roulette is, which generations take the hit. I used to expect I would be dead and gone by the time that happened, but the debt is soaring so fast, I am no longer sure. My only hope is, it is stunning how long the Fed Gov can keep the plates spinning in the air atop their sticks before the entire thing comes crashing down. I am constantly wrong how soon the day of reckoning comes. I was 2 years early calling the housing crash in 2008. By 2006, I thought “this is insane, this bubble can’t last any longer”.


32 posted on 04/08/2020 6:03:13 AM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (What profits a man if he gains the world but loses his soul?)
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To: Wildbill22

2). Hyperinflation as we come to the point in this spiral, where we can’t even pay the interest on the debt without borrowing.

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Hyperinflation is the result of too much debt and a damaged economy, not debt by itself.

Look at what happened to Venezuela and Zimbabwe.

Even the Weimar Republic hyperinflation was triggered by a widespread work stoppage.


33 posted on 04/08/2020 6:05:07 AM PDT by Moonman62 (http://www.freerepublic.com/~moonman62/)
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To: Pontiac

Read the whole article.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/23/investing/switzerland-cash-negative-rates/index.html

Some of the commercial banks have passed on negative interest rates to their customers.

Counterexample of the real-world existence of negative interest rates, complete.


34 posted on 04/08/2020 6:05:36 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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To: Kaslin
There are really three options:

1. Raise taxes.

2. Print money.

3. Default.

4. Abolish the 3rd Central Bank and go back to Real Money that isn't "loaned" into Society with Interest Attached.
35 posted on 04/08/2020 6:06:11 AM PDT by eyeamok
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To: Moonman62; DannyTN
It’s also better than an economy that stops growing and producing what we need.

A damaged economy is what causes harmful inflation as evidenced by countries like Venezuela, Zimbabwe, and Iran.

If governments are selling bonds that produce negative yields, I would say we are already have a damaged economy.

Governments are printing money and bonds have negative yields, how is this possible? Where is all of the funny money going?

36 posted on 04/08/2020 6:18:43 AM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit)
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To: Kaslin

SOLUTION: Phased back to work beginning now.


37 posted on 04/08/2020 6:19:34 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: Pontiac

You ignored my previous answer on negative yields:

It’s not guaranteed. Rates can go lower and the bond will go up in price.


38 posted on 04/08/2020 6:24:43 AM PDT by Moonman62 (http://www.freerepublic.com/~moonman62/)
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To: Kaslin
There are really three options:

1. Raise taxes.

2. Print money.

3. Default.

Wow, Our founders are spinninng in their graves yelling TARIFFS TARIFFS TARIFFS!!!!

39 posted on 04/08/2020 6:31:16 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn....)
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To: Bommer
OPTION BEST = TARIFFS!!!!
40 posted on 04/08/2020 6:32:14 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn....)
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