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America’s 234-Year-Old Shock at Jihad
frontpagemag.com ^ | 3/27/2020 | Raymond Ibrahim

Posted on 03/28/2020 11:29:36 AM PDT by rktman

Exactly 234 years ago this week, two of America’s founding fathers documented their first exposure to Islamic jihad in a letter to Congress; like many Americans today, they too were shocked at what they learned.

Context: in 1785, Muslim pirates from North Africa, or “Barbary,” had captured two American ships, the Maria and Dauphin, and enslaved their crews. In an effort to ransom the enslaved Americans and establish peaceful relations, Thomas Jefferson and John Adams—then ambassadors to France and Britain respectively—met with Tripoli’s ambassador to Britain, Abdul Rahman Adja. Following this diplomatic exchange, the Americans laid out the source of Barbary’s hitherto inexplicable animosity in a letter to Congress, dated March 28, 1786:

We took the liberty to make some inquiries concerning the grounds of their [Barbary’s] pretentions to make war upon nations who had done them no injury, and observed that we considered all mankind as our friends who had done us no wrong, nor had given us any provocation. The ambassador answered us that it was founded on the laws of their Prophet, that it was written in their Koran, that all nations who should not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as prisoners, and that every Musselman who should be slain in battle was sure to go to Paradise.

Abdul had continued by smugly noting that Islam’s “law” offers “as an incentive” more slaves to those who are first to board infidel vessels, and that the power and appearance of the seaborne jihadis—who reportedly always carried three knives, one in each hand and another in their mouths—“so terrified their enemies that very few ever stood against them.”

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: barbarypirates; ibrahim; mooselimbs
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WHAT? Mooselimb crap goes way back further than that. :-) Butt, a good refresher.
1 posted on 03/28/2020 11:29:36 AM PDT by rktman
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To: rktman

Some shotguns and some M16s would have come in handy back then to give the mussies a ticket to paradise.


2 posted on 03/28/2020 11:40:47 AM PDT by MtnClimber (For photos of Colorado scenery and wildlife, click on my screen name for my FR home page.)
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To: rktman

From the Halls of Montezuma
To the shores of Tripoli;

Where have I heard those words before...


3 posted on 03/28/2020 11:42:02 AM PDT by HangnJudge (Kipling was right about humanity)
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To: rktman

From the Halls of Montezuma
To the shores of Tripoli;
We fight our country’s battles
In the air, on land, and sea;
First to fight for right and freedom
And to keep our honor clean;
We are proud to claim the title
Of United States Marine.


4 posted on 03/28/2020 11:43:11 AM PDT by poinq
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To: HangnJudge

Slightly familiar.


5 posted on 03/28/2020 11:46:19 AM PDT by rktman ( #My2ndAmend! ----- Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?)
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To: HangnJudge

Semper Fidelis


6 posted on 03/28/2020 11:54:51 AM PDT by ConservativeInPA (It's official! I'm nominated for the 2020 Mr. Hyperbole and Sarcasm Award.)
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To: poinq

If you would, give ub the third verse as to what the other services should expect.


7 posted on 03/28/2020 12:03:58 PM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: HangnJudge

Where have I heard those words before...???

That was the start of the term “Leatherneck” also.


8 posted on 03/28/2020 12:07:00 PM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: mountainlion

All of you JARHEADS...have used and/or heard the term

“IN THE OLD CORPS” etc

ORIGIN:

Young lad drops by Tun Tavern and sees a table set up with a US Marine Corp recruiter.
After listening to the sales pitch, the young lad agrees to become PVT xxxxxx 000 00 01 USMC.
The recruiter hands him two slips of paper and says “Wait at the bar and have a couple of beers on us”.

After a bit another young lad sits down and orders a beer, handing a chit to the bartender and he turns to the first guy and says..”I just joined the USMC with serial #000 00 02 and they gave me a chit for a beer”

“IN THE OLD CORPS WE GOT TWO BEERS FOR JOINING”


9 posted on 03/28/2020 12:14:55 PM PDT by xrmusn (6/98"HRC is the Grandmother that lures Hansel & Gretel to the pot")
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To: rktman

Islam is demonic


10 posted on 03/28/2020 12:15:04 PM PDT by yldstrk (Bingo! We have a winner!)
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To: rktman

If you haven’t watch this a dozen times, watch it again:

Bill Warner, PhD: Jihad vs Crusades
https://youtu.be/I_To-cV94Bo


11 posted on 03/28/2020 12:20:28 PM PDT by Born to Conserve
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To: rktman

Ultimately, this either has to be settled by a nuclear attack on Mecca, or a future America with balls to stop calling the Saudis “allies” and having US forces invade and take Mecca by force. Also Islam should be illegal in the USA.

Islam has to be eradicated under an occupation government. Same as denazifying Germany.


12 posted on 03/28/2020 12:41:35 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up. ....)
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Right now OPEC is doing almost as much damage to the Middle East as a nuke would. Gas at the current price is hurting our frackers and traditional producers...but it’s killing OPEC nations. Russia too.

I think Trump should consider an old idea...a minimum price per barrel for US oil. For instance, a federal tax on US produced oil under $45/bbl to bring it up to that price.


13 posted on 03/28/2020 12:52:06 PM PDT by jdsteel (Americans are Dreamers too!!!)
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To: jdsteel

Oops..on all oil, not just US produced. My bad.


14 posted on 03/28/2020 12:53:07 PM PDT by jdsteel (Americans are Dreamers too!!!)
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To: rktman

The Marines have been kicking jihadi ass since 1785.

Good job Leathernecks. Semper Fi.

5.56mm


15 posted on 03/28/2020 12:59:33 PM PDT by M Kehoe (DRAIN THE SWAMP! Finish THE WALL!)
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To: DesertRhino

There are at least 2 of us who think this.


16 posted on 03/28/2020 1:37:10 PM PDT by Glad2bnuts (“If there are no absolutes by which to judge society, then society is absolute.” Francis Schaeffer)
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To: Glad2bnuts; DesertRhino
three
17 posted on 03/28/2020 4:00:03 PM PDT by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizens Are Born Here of Citizen Parents_Know Islam, No Peace-No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: DesertRhino

Russia and the USA each have 6,000-plus nukes. With 50 Muslim-majority countries in the world, we could each use 1,000 of our nukes at an average of 40 nukes per country and still have plenty left. Islam could in one day drop from the #2 religion in the world (behind Christianity) to a mere footnote smaller than Jainism. I’m not recommending this, of course, but we wouldn’t need to take our shoes off to board a plane any more.


18 posted on 03/28/2020 4:02:36 PM PDT by Pollster1 ("Governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed")
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To: rktman; All

Great article, post. HOORAY Raymond Ibrahim. 234 years later, stronger than ever in the long war. More base camps (mosques) than ever in the republic. In The Collectivists Cup down the stretch it’s Marx on the inside Mohammed on the outside. At the wire...it’s Mohammed by a head. Hold all ballots. It’s not official.

The Quranic Concept of War - JOSEPH C. MYERS
“The universalism of Islam, in its all-embracing creed, is imposed on the believers as a continuous process of warfare, psychological and political, if not strictly military. . . . The Jihad, accordingly, may be stated as a doctrine of a permanent state of war, not continuous fighting.” - Majid Khadduri

https://securitypolicylaw.syr.edu/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/MyersJoseph.Quranic-Concept-of-War.pdf

234 years later? Strong horse.

No new “Milestones” in sight.

https://khazanahnasional.files.wordpress.com/2006/10/commentary_by_westerner.pdf

Very honest straightforward writer. If you have some spare time...read it.

Music for the thread...

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=youtube+hum+allah+pharoah+sanders&t=osx&iax=videos&ia=videos&iai=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DHWghTVdDGDM

123, 123, 123, 123


19 posted on 03/28/2020 5:43:17 PM PDT by PGalt (Past Peak Civilization?)
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To: rktman

The article neglected to mention the nation’s first military hero as an independent country, Stephen Decatur. It also neglected to mention the buttwhipping Decatur and the fledgling US Marines laid on them in Tripoli. They were taught to leave us alone and made to understand that when we said “or else” we damned well meant it.


20 posted on 03/28/2020 5:58:13 PM PDT by FLT-bird
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