Gov. Northam-backed gun control bills pass in Virginia

AP ^ | February 28, 2020 | Staff

[chopperk]

NORTHAM LIKES TO MURDER DEFENSELESS PEOPLE.

[ronnie raygun]

soros needs to be hung in the town square

[flamberge]

The red flag laws will hurt Democrats more than conservatives.

No, they won't.

We have repeatedly seen that Democrats are exempt from the laws that they impose on everyone else.

[Axenolith]

Californianoma metastasized there a while ago...

[Dave W]

These laws were passed by the legislature, not the “people”.

[antidemoncrat]

“take guns away from people deemed to be dangerous to themselves or others”

So will end up like the anonymous whistle blower that the Democrats used to tried to impeach Pres. Trump. If your neighbor doesn’t like the fact you are pro 2nd Amendment, file a complaint and behold you are disarmed.

[Georgia Girl 2]

Elections have consequences.

[TexasGurl24]

It’s still not good, but the version of the legislation that passed requires a Commonwealth Attorney or Police Officer to file, random neighbor doesn’t cut it.

The burden of proof is on the Commonwealth and the standard is “clear and convincing evidence” not mere probable cause or even a “preponderance of the evidence.” It has to be “clear and convincing.”

[Lurkinanloomin]

Elections have consequences.
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Especially elections run on maps drawn by a UC Irvine professor at the direction of a federal judge after the Chief Justice said in another case that courts have no role in redistricting.

[Taxman]

The problem is, you will never be able to find out who turned you in!

The 2nd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 8th, 9th, and 10th Amendments in the Bill of Rights are violated by Red Flag Laws:

Amendment 2 - The Right to Bear Arms

A well-regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed.

Amendment 4 - Protection from Unreasonable Searches and Seizures

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects against unreasonable searches and seizures shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched and the persons or things to be seized.

Amendment 5 - Protection of Rights to Life, Liberty, and Property

No person shall be held to answer for a capital or otherwise infamous crime unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use without just compensation.

Amendment 6 - Rights of Accused Persons in Criminal Cases

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor; and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.

Amendment 8 - Excessive Bail, Fines, and Punishments Forbidden

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

Amendment 9 - Other Rights Kept by the People

The enumeration in the Constitution of certain rights shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Amendment 10 - Undelegated Powers Kept by the States and the People

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.

AND, if you are not yet pissed off, you will not be Mirandized and will have to pay for your own legal expenses!

It is my understanding that the Florida “Red Flag” gun law has been used 3,500 times since the Parkland school shooting in Feb 2018. Read all about it at https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2020-02-14/in-2-years-florida-red-flag-law-removes-hundreds-of-guns.

At some point, the courts will rule on these blatantly unconstitutional laws! Hopefully, they will be ruled unconstitutional.

[crusher]

“In California, laws passed by the people are routinely overruled by the courts. Is that an option here?”

Here in Virginazuela I’ve observed that state courts have been moving insane left for a while, making Gov. Gungrabber McBabykiller seem almost reasonable.

[justme4now]

"At some point, the courts will rule on these blatantly unconstitutional laws! Hopefully, they will be ruled unconstitutional."

They already have:

FEDERAL LEGISLATION

I am so d@mn tired of these @$$holes who seem to think that our Constitution doesn't prevent the Feds from doing exactly what they want to do!

Even the SCOTUS has ruled these gun grabbing laws unconstitutional.
(They, the gun grabbers just ignore the rulings ... and the constitution because 'we' allow them to.)

In United States v. Cruikshank (1876), the Supreme Court ruled that, "The right to bear arms is not granted by the Constitution; neither is it in any manner dependent upon that instrument for its existence.

The Second Amendments means no more than that it shall not be infringed by Congress, and has no other effect than to restrict the powers of the National Government.

Then there is this:

Heller, Caetano v Massachusetts
It is settled that the Second Amendment protects an individual right to keep and bear arms that applies against both the Federal Government and the States.

And this:

McDonald v. City of Chicago
A case in which on June 28, 2010, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled (5–4) that the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, which guarantees the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, applies to state and local governments as well as to the federal government.

And:

District of Columbia v. Heller

Some have made the argument, bordering on the frivolous, that only those arms in existence in the 18th century are protected by the Second Amendment.

We do not interpret constitutional rights that way.

Just as the First Amendment protects modern forms of communications, and the Fourth Amendment applies to modern forms of search, the Second Amendment extends, prima facie, to all instruments that constitute bearable arms, even those that were not in existence at the time of the founding.
(If Heller tells us anything, it is that firearms cannot be categorically prohibited just because they are dangerous.)

In Marbury v. Madison the Supreme Court announced for the first time the principle that a court may declare an act of Congress void if it is inconsistent with the Constitution.

The one thing that I don't agree with on these Constitutional Rights rulings is that, Our Rights Do not come from the Constitution!

THE 2ND AND THE CONSTITUTION

[DeplorableGirl]

And of course the “lawmakers” who voted to violate the constitution should be publicly shamed.
If anybody in Virginia still gives a
damn.
They have a rally a few weeks ago in
support of gun rights then pat themselves on the back. Yet the vote takes place without a peep.
Wake Up People. We need action, I’m
sick of talk.

[DeplorableGirl]

Why didn’t “the people” rise up and
get in these politicians faces every day?
If the 2nd is so sacred fight for it!
One of our worst failings as Americans is assuming our constitutional rights
Will always exist.

[Taxman]

Thank you for the clarification!

Why, then, if what the states are doing is illegal and unconstitutional, are guns being confiscated?

Something is amiss, I fear!

[justme4now]

Because no one seems to know how the Branches of government works!

The Constitution is just a minor inconvenience.

Plus, no one in these states government have been arrested for breaking Federal laws!

Locking up these mayors, police chiefs and governors would send a strong message!

[Taxman]

The law has to be challenged in a court of law.

Bringing a law suit after your guns have been confiscated is a VERY expensive proposition.

Some deep pocketed organizations will need to step in and challenge the law, and to date, none have.

Where are you NRA? GOA? VCDL? JFPO? NAGR?