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GM Wants to Produce a Lot of (electric) Cars — and Less of Everything Else
Barron's ^ | February 6, 2020 | Al Root

Posted on 02/07/2020 6:23:52 AM PST by karpov

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To: moovova
(Note...I read “The Dual” for the first time in Playboy. It was made it a movie starring Dennis Weaver.)

Directed by Steven Spielberg.

41 posted on 02/07/2020 7:07:19 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (BLACK LIVES MAGA)
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To: karpov

I wouldn’t buy a GM vehicle now much less one run on electricity.


42 posted on 02/07/2020 7:09:48 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: karpov

A few of the reasons why I don’t want an EV:

Battery aging. Batteries wear out. Function of battery age, cycles, charge speed, load levels, temperature. My personal experience with batteries wearing out cause me not to want 10k worth of batteries powering my car.

Battery charging time. I live out in the country. A trip to town is at least 70 miles round-trip and I take many cross country trips each year. Ultra-fast charging to improve charging time greatly negatively impacts battery life.

Change is predicated on improvement. I just do not see the improvement. Early cars were better than horses. Horses went away. Propeller planes better than passenger trains. Jet planes better than propeller planes. ICE cars are highly reliable, great range, quick fill-up, many last for decades and 300k+ miles without needing a new motor.

Cost. EVs vs ICE on equivalent platform seem to be more expensive. Current cars are already outrageously expensive due to government mandates.

EVs are clearly not a step change better, and, it can be arguably questioned are actually a step backwards. The environmental drive is not based on science or truth, but is based on fantasy. That is why government will have to force them on us, because people are smart, they will not convert to a step backwards.


43 posted on 02/07/2020 7:10:11 AM PST by rigelkentaurus
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To: karpov

What i like about electric is i frankly don’t drive very far, willing to buy a solar panel at home and at work to recharge vehicle so i never, ever have to pay to charge it.

Free forever.


44 posted on 02/07/2020 7:11:51 AM PST by Daniel Ramsey (Thank YOU President Trump, finally we can do what America does best, to be the best)
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To: dangus
The market has decided.

If I want to drive from Chandler, Arizona to Port Townsend, Washington, I will choose a standard fuel vehicle.

The infrastructure for all-electric vehicles is -- at this time -- minimal. And the electric charging stations I see around here have cobwebs on them.

45 posted on 02/07/2020 7:11:52 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (BLACK LIVES MAGA)
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To: gibsonguy

CEO CEO Mary Barra is running GM into the ground. The quality of GM’s electric vehicles and trucks is horrible.


46 posted on 02/07/2020 7:14:11 AM PST by caltaxed (ake)
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To: Jeff Chandler

This logic or business plan makes no sense at all. Has there been some new battery tech that extends beyond the 350 mile mark to say 1000 miles and recharges in the amount of time it take to fill a current vehicle?
I think until this sort of technology is present and vetted this is the Volt all over again...


47 posted on 02/07/2020 7:16:59 AM PST by Nuke From Orbit
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To: dangus

You can’t buy a new Tesla for $30,000.


48 posted on 02/07/2020 7:17:36 AM PST by Fresh Wind (The Electoral College is the firewall protecting us from massive blue state vote fraud.)
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To: Jeff Chandler

“The Duel”: Who wrote it?


49 posted on 02/07/2020 7:17:55 AM PST by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Gone but not forgiven.)
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To: kickstart

Me too but only if that includes a full ten year 100,000 mile warranty on the battery and drive train.


50 posted on 02/07/2020 7:18:15 AM PST by Colo9250
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

We are hanging on to our 2000 Porsche. Mint condition. Looks new in & out. We really don’t want all the new “improvements” 2000, last year of air cooled vs water cooled. Car is worth much more now than when new. Gets offers all the time, not for sale.

I HATE anti lock brakes.


51 posted on 02/07/2020 7:18:26 AM PST by buffyt (~ It is not a CHOICE, it is a CHILD! ~)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

We are hanging on to our 2000 Porsche. Mint condition. Looks new in & out. We really don’t want all the new “improvements” 2000, last year of air cooled vs water cooled. Car is worth much more now than when new. Gets offers all the time, not for sale.

I HATE anti lock brakes.


52 posted on 02/07/2020 7:18:32 AM PST by buffyt (~ It is not a CHOICE, it is a CHILD! ~)
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To: karpov

Critical materials for a gas engine are steel, and aluminum.

For an electric motor, aluminum and copper, and possibly rare earth (magnets).

Copper and rare earth metals are much more expensive and in shorter supply than steel.

Then you have to mine lithium and cobalt for the batteries. Lithium, cobalt, and rare earth metals mostly come from out of the CONUS.

I think, without doing an extensive research, that it will be material supplies that dictate how many electric cars we as a nation can build.


53 posted on 02/07/2020 7:21:10 AM PST by DBrow
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To: Nuke From Orbit

I do think hybrid powered vehicles make sense for semi-trucks.

The range and refueling limitation problems need to be solved before all-electric makes general sense.


54 posted on 02/07/2020 7:23:11 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (BLACK LIVES MAGA)
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To: dangus

The low price for a Tesla is more like 35k with a range of 220 miles. Is there a lot to like about Tesla? Sure, but the only reason it exists is because of government subsidizing it. GM should die for the same reasons. Thrive or die on your own business model without government propping you up.

My 2 cents


55 posted on 02/07/2020 7:24:41 AM PST by Dartoid
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To: Fai Mao

Gov. decides where you go, etc. Read fiction by Larry Burkett

The Illuminati. Government controls EVERYTHING. Written many years ago, most of the far out futuristic predictions in the book already came true.

READ WE THE LIVING by Ayn Rand. What really happens when communists take over.

The Octopus about the NSA and murder of. DANNY CASOLARO.


56 posted on 02/07/2020 7:24:44 AM PST by buffyt (~ It is not a CHOICE, it is a CHILD! ~)
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To: DBrow

Add manganese to the formula.


57 posted on 02/07/2020 7:26:54 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (Baseball players, gangsters and musicians are remembered. But journalists are forgotten.)
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To: RayChuang88

Honda and GM are cooperating on EV technology.


58 posted on 02/07/2020 7:27:31 AM PST by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Gone but not forgiven.)
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To: Jeff Chandler

Tesla says a total of 31 hours of driving and charging via LA

https://www.tesla.com/trips#/?v=MS_2017_100D&o=Chandler,%20AZ,%20USA_Chandler%20Maricopa%20County%20AZ@33.3061605,-111.84125019999999&s=&d=Port%20Townsend,%20WA%2098368,%20USA_Port%20Townsend%20Jefferson%20County%20WA@48.11703869999999,-122.76044709999996


59 posted on 02/07/2020 7:27:33 AM PST by EVO X
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To: EVO X
Tesla says a total of 31 hours of driving and charging via LA

Adding almost two hours just to get to Riverside.

60 posted on 02/07/2020 7:34:32 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (BLACK LIVES MAGA)
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