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Horowitz Report Live Thread
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Posted on 12/09/2019 6:08:59 AM PST by janetjanet998

I am not sure of the time of the release..it is 9 am now....there was some talk last night on twitter that there will be a short press conference in the morning but the report won't be made public until the afternoon....but take that info with a grain of salt


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 20191209; bringsdownthehouse; christophersteele; dojigreport; horowitz; horowitzreport; ig; ighorowitz; inspectorgeneral; mi6; pain; painiscoming; steeledossier; trumprussia; trusttheplan
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To: grey_whiskers

The general public won’t read this report and will only know what the drivebys tell them.


121 posted on 12/09/2019 10:12:41 AM PST by surrey
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To: relee

Reading page 4. And I already know that this report is a whitewash.


122 posted on 12/09/2019 10:13:20 AM PST by Revel
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To: All

And here comes Chris Wallace: Legit reasons for origins of investigation.


123 posted on 12/09/2019 10:13:39 AM PST by mmichaels1970
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To: janetjanet998

The whole reason for getting the warrant was to get the legal defense. The snooping preceeded the warrant.

Interesting that Horowitz essentialy finds good faith.


124 posted on 12/09/2019 10:13:55 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: dware

This is a game of chicken.
Who will blink.


125 posted on 12/09/2019 10:13:55 AM PST by ptsal
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To: surrey
page 118

The notes also indicate that Steele explained that the information his firm collected on the connection between Trum and Russia came from

BLACKED OUT

126 posted on 12/09/2019 10:14:03 AM PST by relee (Till the blue skies drive the dark clouds far away)
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To: Sarah Barracuda
No bias LOL is he serious..nothing really surprises me anymore Doesn't mean there wasn't any. From the report: "We did not find documentary or testimonial evidence that political bias or improper motivation influenced the FBI's decision to seek FISA authority on Carter Page. "
127 posted on 12/09/2019 10:14:42 AM PST by EVO X
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To: mmichaels1970

Looking at him is NOT how I want to start and end my day. Not to mention his whiny voice.


128 posted on 12/09/2019 10:14:47 AM PST by hsmomx3
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To: Sirius Lee

If this is true then the FIB is a fourth and superior branch of government. Also the Republic I’d officially dead.


They are and they call themselves “inter-agencies”.

You heard the term during the SchittSham hearing, by the Lt Col.

DS overriding duly elected CIC to instill policies THEY want.


129 posted on 12/09/2019 10:15:33 AM PST by Jane Long (Praise God, from whom ALL blessings flow.)
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To: ptsal
Who will blink.

The American people. And we already have. God rest the Republic.

130 posted on 12/09/2019 10:15:41 AM PST by dware (Americans prefer peaceful slavery over dangerous freedom)
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To: gathersnomoss

Hannity is going to have to go on record to apologize to his viewers as he said this report would be devastating.


131 posted on 12/09/2019 10:16:03 AM PST by hsmomx3
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To: over3Owithabrain

I think it will take some poring over the large report, rather than just knee-jerking to the summaries.
There will be a LOT in there that isn’t favorable to Deep State regardless of conclusions by the IG.


And the media will seek to overshadow it and reduce any interest in people actually looking at those things.


132 posted on 12/09/2019 10:16:54 AM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: hsmomx3

SEE POST 111

Link to Report
https://www.justice.gov/storage/120919-examination.pdf
Just to make the link stand out in context


133 posted on 12/09/2019 10:17:08 AM PST by ptsal
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To: Jane Long
-- We need to see more than wrist slaps, or it all continues. --

It'll all continue. Illegal snooping was supposed to have stopped after the high and mighty Church Commission "this can never happen again" conclusions. Abuse of snooping power, hell abuse of EVERY power is part of government. Of course it is going to claim it has healed itself, see, here is a fall guy.

What follows is better ways to conceal the malfeasance. None of these clowns has integrity, credibility, or sincerity. Just self-serving schmucks who made the big time.

134 posted on 12/09/2019 10:17:25 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: grey_whiskers; janetjanet998; ransomnote; Liz; greeneyes; generally; Steven W.
From page viii:

We identified at least 17 significant errors or omissions in the Carter Page FISA applications, and many additional errors in the Woods Procedures. These errors and omissions resulted from case agents providing wrong or incomplete infor mation to OI and failing to flag important issues for discussion. While we did not find documentary or testimonial evidence of intentional misconduct on the part of the case agents who assisted OI in preparing the applications, or the agents and supervisors who performed the Woods Procedures, we also did not receive satisfactory explanations for the errors or problems we identified. In most instances, t he agents and supervisors told us that they either did not know or recall why the information was not shared with OI, that the failure to do so may have been an oversight, that they did not recognize at t he time the relevance of t he information to t he FISA application, or that they did not believe the missing information to be significant . On this last point, we believe that case agents may have improperly substituted their own j udgments in place of the j udgment of OI, or in place of the court, to weigh t_he probative va lue of t he information. From page 358:

We determined that, on August 15, 2016, Case Agent 1 sent a written summary by email to the OGC Unit Chief describing Page's Russian business and financial ties, his prior contacts with known Russian intelligence officers, and his recent travel to Russia. In this email, Case Agent 1 stated his belief that the information provided "a pretty solid basis" for requesting authority under FISA to conduct surveillance targeting Page. The next day, August 16, the OGC Unit Chief emailed Stuart Evans, then NSD's Deputy Assistant Attorney General with oversight responsibility over 01, to advise him of the possible FBI request for a FISA order to surveil Page. The email from the OGC Unit Chief stated that "I don't think we are quite there yet, but given the sensitivity and urgency of this matter, I would like to get 01 involved as early as possible." On or about August 17, 2016, in response to the Crossfire Hurricane team's prior Carter Page name trace request, the Crossfire Hurricane team received a memorandum from another U.S. government agency detailing its prior interactions with Page, including that Page had been approved as an "operational contact" for the other agency from 2008 to 2013. 489 The memorandum also detailed the information that Page had provided to the other agency concerning his prior contacts with certain Russian intelligence officers. As detailed in Chapters Five and Eight, the Crossfire Hurricane team did not accurately describe to 01 the nature and extent of the information that the FBI received from the other agency, which we found was highly relevant to an evaluation of the FISA request. Additionally, in August 2016, Page made statements to an FBI CHS that, if true, were in tension with the reporting the FBI received subsequently from Steele, alleging that Page was being used as an intermediary by Manafort to conspire with Russia. The FBI did not inform 01 of Page's statements before any of the four FISA applications were filed, and did not inform 01 of the CHS operation until June 2017, shortly before filing the last FISA application.

Here's some nice coverup on page xv:

Ethics Issues Raised by Nellie Ohr's Former Employment with Fusion GPS Fusion GPS employed Nellie Ohr as an independent contractor from October 2015 to September 2016. On his annual financial disclosure forms covering calendar years 2015 and 2016, Ohr listed Nellie Ohr as an "independent contractor" and reported her income from that work on the form. We determined that financial disclosure rules, 5 C.F.R. Part 2634, did not require Ohr to list on the form the specific organizations, such as Fusion GPS, that paid Nellie Ohr as an independent contractor during the reporting period. In addition, for reasons we explain in Chapter Eleven, we concluded that the federal ethics rules did not require Ohr to obtain Department ethics counsel approval before engaging with the FBI in connection with the Crossfire Hurricane matter because of Nellie Ohr's prior work for Fusion GPS. However, we found that, given the factual circumstances that existed, and the appearance that they created, Ohr displayed a lapse in judgment by not availing himself of the process described in the ethics rules to consult with the Department ethics official about his involvement in the investigation.

135 posted on 12/09/2019 10:17:27 AM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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To: janetjanet998
I rushed to the end to see the recommendations. Here is #9:

9. The FBI should review the performance of all employees who had responsibility for the preparation, Woods review, or approval of the FISA applications, as well as the managers, supervisors, and senior officials in the chain of command of the Carter Page investigation, for any action deemed appropriate.

Somehow I was misled. I thought that was the job they gave to Horowitz. If not then it should be the Attorney General deciding on the appropriate action.

136 posted on 12/09/2019 10:17:30 AM PST by InterceptPoint (Ted, you finally endorsed.)
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To: janetjanet998

...BREAKING: DOJ Inspector General finds that the FBI made 17 “significant inaccuracies and omissions” in the FISA applications to spy on Trump campaign member...

but no political bias? ROFLMAO just plain incompetent?
LIES LIES LIES who believes that other than CNN?
how can horowitz say that with a straight face?


137 posted on 12/09/2019 10:18:09 AM PST by rolling_stone (no justice no peace no epstein no justice)
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To: ptsal

The Swamp knows if the American people are made aware of their criminal activities the entire federal government comes crashing down and they along with it. We can’t go on like this anymore.


138 posted on 12/09/2019 10:18:23 AM PST by dowcaet
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To: ptsal

Shem Horne
@Shem_Infinite
Horowitz was not able to review the activities of other agencies (see CIA) because they fell outside of his jurisdiction. Durham doesn’t have those restrictions. This is part one today of a much bigger picture.


139 posted on 12/09/2019 10:18:29 AM PST by janetjanet998
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To: InterceptPoint

Basically means these people should get that hands slapped. Nothing more.


140 posted on 12/09/2019 10:20:23 AM PST by LoveMyFreedom
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