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To: j.havenfarm
I just watched a tv show on Pearl Harbor. It was over a few minutes ago.

It was reported on that show that the message to warn everyone arrived eight hours late.

Is that at all true?

3 posted on 12/07/2019 9:11:03 AM PST by a little elbow grease (... to err is human, to admit it divine ...)
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To: a little elbow grease

https://www.army.mil/article/180285/intelligence_japanese_attack_on_pearl_harbor

In the early morning of Dec. 7, 1941, SIS immediately recognized the importance of the Fourteen Part Message, and after informing the President, the Chief of Staff of the Army alerted the commanders of both the Hawaiian and Philippine departments that the potential for a Japanese attack was high, although the target was still unknown. Given the sensitivity of the message, it had to be sent by telegraph, a process hampered by Sunday office closures. The message reached Honolulu at 7:33 a.m. Hawaii-time and was dispatched by bicycle messenger to Fort Shafter. Half way to his destination, the messenger sought cover in a roadside ditch when the Japanese began its aerial bombardment. He did not reach Fort Shafter until 11:45 a.m. and, by the time the message was decoded and delivered to the Adjutant General’s Office, the time was 2:58 p.m. and the attack was over. Eighteen U.S. ships and 188 aircraft were damaged or lost; human casualties included 2,335 service members and 68 civilians with another 1,178 wounded. Additional losses were suffered during simultaneous attacks on Thailand, Malaya, Singapore, Guam, Hong Kong, Wake and the Philippine Islands.


4 posted on 12/07/2019 9:16:51 AM PST by abb
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To: a little elbow grease

https://avalon.law.yale.edu/wwii/p3.asp

Japanese Note to the United States United States December 7, 1941
(Generally referred to as the “Fourteen Part Message.”)


6 posted on 12/07/2019 9:21:24 AM PST by abb
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To: a little elbow grease
It was reported on that show that the message to warn everyone arrived eight hours late.

Like 9/11 there were lots of dots but none connected.

7 posted on 12/07/2019 9:23:40 AM PST by immadashell (Save Innocent Lives - ban gun free zones)
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To: a little elbow grease
I just watched a tv show on Pearl Harbor. It was over a few minutes ago.

Yea, I just watched it too......Very eye opening. And did you happen to notice in the very end where they put up a quote by Vice President Joe Biden where he stated that the blame put on Commander H. Kimmel was basically a travesty of military justice.

Kimmel's family has been trying to have his rank restored posthumously but all the presidents since the attack have turned a blind eye. And that includes Clinton and Obama which is strange why the documentary would put that quotation at the very end.

13 posted on 12/07/2019 9:57:39 AM PST by Hot Tabasco (Never take a centipede shopping for shoes)
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