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Reusable plastic shopping bags are actually making the problem worse, not better
Quartz | December 1, 2019 | ZoŽ Schlanger

Posted on 12/02/2019 9:38:46 AM PST by karpov

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: chat; environment
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To: karpov

The reusables are also enabling shoplifters big time.


21 posted on 12/02/2019 10:18:56 AM PST by mewzilla (Break out the mustard seeds.)
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To: HamiltonJay
Its a “feel good” thing, not a real solution, to use re-useable bags.

Of course it is. ALL liberal solutions make things worse, "but their intentions were good".....
22 posted on 12/02/2019 10:19:43 AM PST by Karma_Sherab
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To: RayChuang88

And that’s a pain. Just like hand-wash clothes is.

Whatever floats your boat. Just bear in mind, now you’re using (if you’re responsible) evil detergent and using too much water.

Trust me - you cannot win with the EnvironMental religion. Not if they are honest.


23 posted on 12/02/2019 10:21:34 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Federal-run medical care is as good as state-run DMVs)
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To: CatOwner

I use Trader reusable bags too, and put paper bags inside them. These double bags last for a long time, not quite forever. The cashiers always thank me for bringing my bags. Have a pile in the trunk of my car. Just bought a new reusable bag from Kroger yesterday.


24 posted on 12/02/2019 10:22:10 AM PST by Veto! (Political Correctness Offends Me)
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To: karpov

Also realize what the green really is - money.

This way, companies don’t have to spend money but YOU do. More service goes away by making you bring in a bad, along with Wal-Mart’s attitude of basically do-it-yourself so *we* don’t have to spend money.

My husband’s gym tried to pull this sanctimonious garbage. They told customers they were going towel-less to “help the environment”. BS. All they did was TRANSFER the enviro issue to the customer, while simultaneously making everything cheaper for themselves. No longer do THEY need washing machines and detergent (oops - bad for the enviro!) and electricity or even storage space. They’re just hoping you’ll do that on YOUR end.

Don’t give in one inch to these commie-red greenies.


25 posted on 12/02/2019 10:25:56 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Federal-run medical care is as good as state-run DMVs)
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To: karpov

My wife likes to use cloth bags due to the thinness of the plastic bag. She is able to wash those cloth bags also.

I remember the plastic bag sales pitch when I first work as a bag boy at Publics in the early 80s.

We are saving a tree by using plastic.

I think it was the Oil companies pushing plastics to drive up the price of oil.


26 posted on 12/02/2019 10:27:27 AM PST by DEPcom
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To: karpov

I use paper when ever possible. I have a bad habit of forgetting my reusable bags in the car. If I felt like it, I would bag my stuff at my car. I just got sick of all of these bags.


27 posted on 12/02/2019 10:28:41 AM PST by gracie1 (Look, just because you have to tolerate something doesn’t mean you have to approve of it.)
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To: Jeff Chandler

I love the old grocery paper bags, BUT they don’t have the lovely handles on them.

Handles on a paper bag will add to the cost that stores won’t want to bear. It can’t be done w/o heavy-duty paper and staples. That’s extra manufacturing effort.


28 posted on 12/02/2019 10:30:39 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Federal-run medical care is as good as state-run DMVs)
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To: HamiltonJay

Enviros are idiots as well as tyrants.

They tell us to bring our own bags - which SHOULD be washed but THAT uses evil detergents and “wastes” water!

They CANNOT subtract from one issue w/o adding to another. They never learn.

Unless they really want stone-age living.


29 posted on 12/02/2019 10:32:17 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Federal-run medical care is as good as state-run DMVs)
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To: karpov

If the food is in a box or can the permanent bag is fine, but unwrapped food is a risk.


30 posted on 12/02/2019 10:32:23 AM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: gracie1
If I felt like it, I would bag my stuff at my car. I just got sick of all of these bags.

We do something to that effect for our frozen/refrigerated items. I got into the habit years ago of bringing along one or more coolers with Blue Ice. That allowed me to stop off at several stores when running errands and not worry about getting those perishable items back home right away. This has come in quite handy since our move to central Texas with the hotter weather months.

31 posted on 12/02/2019 10:36:16 AM PST by CatOwner
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To: the OlLine Rebel

Reality is, is that in life, EVERYTHING is a tradeoff.

When you mind numbingly just dictate one thing is bad, no matter what, you short circuit true critical thought and discussion.

If you just declare, disposable plastic bags are bad, because they are plastic and one time use, you and that in your mind is the worst thing you can think of... then all the other criteria for critically thinking about the issue becomes naught...

The reusable bag is still plastic, but its reusable, so its better.... Well, unless you use it 132 times, its not, because it costs far more in terms of energy and raw materials to produce and transport, and its so much heavier, and its still plastic, so if it winds up in the landfill before its used 132 times, then it is not improving on the issue of plastic waste, or even “carbon footprint” but makes it worse.

So, if you go to the store every week, you need to use that same bag for over 2.5 years, before you benefit from it. Now, some people may, but I doubt highly most do... and that doesn’t even get into the health risks you introduce by using a reusable bag...


32 posted on 12/02/2019 10:37:06 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: Jeff Chandler
I just ask for paper grocery bags. The products sit nicer in them and they stack better.

Paper bags are also biodegradable and paper pulp is a renewable resource.

33 posted on 12/02/2019 10:37:44 AM PST by CommerceComet (Hillary: A unique blend of arrogance, incompetence, and corruption.)
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To: HamiltonJay
Carlin said it best:

"The planet … is a self-correcting system. The air and the water will recover, the earth will be renewed. And if it’s true that plastic is not degradable, well, the planet will simply incorporate plastic into a new paradigm: the earth plus plastic. The earth doesn’t share our prejudice toward plastic. Plastic came out of the earth. The earth probably sees plastic as just another one of its children. Could be the only reason the earth allowed us to be spawned from it in the first place. It wanted plastic for itself. Didn’t know how to make it. Needed us. Could be the answer to our age-old egocentric philosophical question, 'Why are we here?'”

"Plastic, a-hole!"
34 posted on 12/02/2019 10:39:09 AM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: dfwgator

LOL!!!!


35 posted on 12/02/2019 10:43:07 AM PST by Covenantor (https://www. are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern. " Chesterton)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

I’d rather have multi-use paper bags without handles than easy-tear plastic, or reusable germ collectors.


36 posted on 12/02/2019 10:46:39 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (BLACK LIVES MAGA)
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To: Rebelbase

“The only way to carry $70 dollars worth of groceries...”

I thought you were going to say “is in your pockets.”


37 posted on 12/02/2019 10:47:59 AM PST by alternatives? (Why have an army if there are no borders?)
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To: dfwgator
The earth probably sees plastic as just another one of its children.

The earth has never had an idea in its life.

38 posted on 12/02/2019 10:49:28 AM PST by Mr Ramsbotham ("God is a spirit, and man His means of walking on the earth.")
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To: karpov

Side rant: Those pushing efforts to ban plastic shopping bags often drive their point by showing our waterways and land polluted with these eeeevil bags. What bothers me is that there’s rarely ever mention of HOW the bags became pollution. I’d kindly offer that people are the commonality with pollution. The anti-plastic bag argument seems similar to the anti-gun argument - blaming an inanimate object instead of a person’s choice.

I hate pollution and LOVE being outdoors. But I never look at the random aluminum can of soda in woods and call for banning the soda cans. I’d rather call for a boot in the ass of the fool not picking up after themself!


39 posted on 12/02/2019 10:50:44 AM PST by Made In The USA (Next thing you know, 'ol Jed's a millionaire)
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To: karpov

About 15 years ago, laws were passed to include starch in the plastic used for bags. The starch is biodegradable and the plastic that is left is micro sized. The bags take about 2 years to degrade. It’s also the reason that when you hang a bag up in your garage with something in it, it becomes fragile and tears easily a year or two later.


40 posted on 12/02/2019 10:52:18 AM PST by BuffaloJack ("Security does not exist in nature. Everything has risk." Henry Savage)
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