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The Electric Car Fantasy: Schumer’s ambitious proposal bucks basic economics—and science.
City Journal ^ | October 30, 2019 | Mark P. Mills

Posted on 11/04/2019 12:17:12 PM PST by karpov

New York Senator Chuck Schumer has promised that if Democrats win the Senate in 2020, they’ll pass a law requiring that every car in America be electric by 2040. Chinese policymakers must be celebrating, because China makes the majority of the world’s batteries and has the most new battery factories under construction. The Chinese will need someone to buy all those batteries. This past summer, when China abandoned subsidies for electric vehicles (EVs), sales collapsed. China’s plan now is to require automakers to produce EVs, but at a paltry 3 percent to 4 percent of output. Perhaps Beijing will ultimately increase the allocation, but truly revolutionary technologies never require governments to order their adoption. As for Schumer’s plan, it will fail on every front—including saving China’s battery industry.

Let’s start with what consumers want. SUVs and pickups now account for 70 percent of all vehicles purchased. Most people, it seems, like big vehicles. The minority who buy purely for economy choose small cars with gasoline engines. This option, by the way, puts less carbon dioxide into the atmosphere than a Tesla.

Consumers are price-sensitive in every category, a reality that politicians ignore at their peril. Batteries add about $12,000 to the cost of small and midsize cars. That’s meaningful for all consumers but the 1 percent. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, automobiles constitute the most expensive category of consumables for the average household, costing twice that of health care. (Housing is the biggest expense, but that’s not a consumable.) A recent McKinsey analysis suggests that automakers could “decontent” EVs to cut costs—that is, take out the extra features that every salesman knows are what sells cars.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Editorial; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: ev; schumer
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1 posted on 11/04/2019 12:17:12 PM PST by karpov
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To: karpov
It's not just ridiculous...it's stupid.

Mark my words....Electric cars will go by the wayside....just as they did 100 years ago.

2 posted on 11/04/2019 12:20:34 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: karpov

Great for all the ranchers out there raising herds of farting unicorns. The rest of us, not so much.


3 posted on 11/04/2019 12:22:16 PM PST by Freedumb
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To: karpov

sCHUMER IS ANTI-sCIENCE AND eNGINERING?

Whoda thunk it.

NYC Lieyahs can be pretty dumb.


4 posted on 11/04/2019 12:23:43 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: karpov
Lithium-ion batteries require cobalt and currently there is a cobalt shortage with little chance of ending in the near future. As more batteries are needed for more cars, the shortage will increase, driving the cost up, effecting not only cars but phones, etc.

Until a new battery technology is developed that uses readily available rare materials the electric car revolution is a pipe-dream. Schumer is an idiot and this only reinforces that perception.

5 posted on 11/04/2019 12:27:53 PM PST by MichaelRDanger
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To: Sacajaweau

It’s all about the battwery[sic - typo] tech.

I find it somewhat humorous how many wires I now have to deal with all of my “wireless” devices.

A Diesel generator trailer for my future Electric Car [trailer hauling pickup?] would seem to be a necessary accessory.


6 posted on 11/04/2019 12:27:59 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: MichaelRDanger

We need Co for magnets and steel alloys too.


7 posted on 11/04/2019 12:29:02 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: karpov
You talk as if Democrats had some small clue about this science thing. These are people who honestly believe that "science" is made by consensus. Once they convince enough people that they are traveling faster than light, it will be true. It's just a matter of re-calibrating the speedometer.

Remember when you actually had to be fat to be fat? Juggle the body-mass index, and PRESTO! Everyone is overweight! That way, good Leftists start grazing instead of eating meat, and without the protein to grow more neurons, they benefit from a wonderfully uncluttered mind.

8 posted on 11/04/2019 12:29:51 PM PST by jonascord (First rule of the Dunning-Kruger Club is that you do not know you are in the Dunning-Kruger club.)
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To: karpov

I’m still waiting for the flying cars.


9 posted on 11/04/2019 12:39:26 PM PST by HighSierra5
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To: karpov

Here is a basic scientific fact rarely addressed. As long as you lug a half ton of very expense battery around, full sized cars, they’ll have to be tiny.


10 posted on 11/04/2019 12:40:58 PM PST by ImJustAnotherOkie (All I know is The I read in the papers.)
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To: MichaelRDanger

Nickel is going up now and Cobalt theft is increasing.


11 posted on 11/04/2019 12:42:39 PM PST by ImJustAnotherOkie (All I know is The I read in the papers.)
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To: Sacajaweau

These idiots have decided that reason, logic and math are their mortal enemies..


12 posted on 11/04/2019 12:49:52 PM PST by Vendome (I've Gotta Be Me https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BB0ndRzaz2o)
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To: karpov
That's going to work just fine in California

What with the electric grid shut downs and the take over of PG@E

Look in a catalog of small engines (diesel, gas and LNG powered)

Anything suitable to make a generator has a note: Not available in CA.

Women, children and Mexican leaf blower operators hurt most.

13 posted on 11/04/2019 12:57:22 PM PST by spokeshave (If anything, Trump is guilty of attempting to obstruct injustice.)
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To: karpov
That's going to work just fine in California

What with the electric grid shut downs and the take over of PG@E

Look in a catalog of small engines (diesel, gas and LNG powered)

Anything suitable to make a generator has a note: Not available in CA.

Women, children and Mexican leaf blower operators hurt most.

14 posted on 11/04/2019 12:57:22 PM PST by spokeshave (If anything, Trump is guilty of attempting to obstruct injustice.)
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To: Red Badger

Ping.


15 posted on 11/04/2019 12:58:43 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: karpov

Makes me wonder how much money Schumer gets and has gotten from the ChiComs.


16 posted on 11/04/2019 1:08:39 PM PST by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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To: karpov

Wow, so EVs are only $12,000 more expensive than gasoline vehicles?!! That is a tiny margin considering the savings.

Still, I’m not wholly convinced. What are the mechanical savings on an EV? Is there less to break down? What does it cost to service? And what is the useful life of the batteries before they must be replaced?


17 posted on 11/04/2019 4:06:48 PM PST by Sam Gamgee
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To: jonascord

Juggle the body-mass index, and PRESTO! Everyone is overweight!
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Diet and weight requirements change by age. Babies need fats and proteins to develop properly. Youngsters are still growing and also need fats and protein. Women in their reproductive years have specific nutritional requirements so they can provide for themselves and their babies. Middle-aged desk workers need less calories than manual workers, but manual workers require more protein. The elderly need to guard against unintentional weight loss and may need to add calories after 80.

If my 68-yr-old, physically active, manual-laboring husband weighed what the BMI charts say, he would be a skeleton with no muscle mass. When I did weigh what the latest charts demand, everyone tried to feed me up and said I looked anorexic.

The nannies want weak people with no muscle mass and no nutritional reserve. Such people are easily overcome and cannot function in harsh climates, doing required physical labor. They have no reserves when faced with illness.

Leftists may acquiesce, but the target of this nonsense is everyone.

Sorry for the rant, but this is a pet peeve of mine.


18 posted on 11/04/2019 4:21:51 PM PST by reformedliberal
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To: jonascord

You all are missing the point. They mean to reduce the number of private personal transport conveyances by about 95%. Under the new feudalism, the ruling elite will have access to technology, while the serfs will live in a 7th century style, held down by a scheme adapted from Islam.


19 posted on 11/04/2019 4:25:15 PM PST by motor_racer (If you don't read the news, you are uninformed. If you read the news, you are misinformed.)
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To: Paladin2
A Diesel generator trailer for my future Electric Car [trailer hauling pickup?] would seem to be a necessary accessory.

Indeed. Rather like a coal tender for a steam locomotive. Hey, that's progress!

20 posted on 11/04/2019 4:54:28 PM PST by Charles Martel (Progressives are the crab grass in the lawn of life.)
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