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Safety Concerns for Hybrid & Electric Ships
Sterling PBES Energy Solution ^ | 10-25-2019 | Brent Perry and Grant Brown

Posted on 10/27/2019 12:13:02 PM PDT by Oatka

Preface On October 11, 2019, an explosion rocked passenger ferry Ytterøyningen while dockside at Sydnes, Norway. The vessel, recently refit with a lithium-ion battery hybrid drive, is part of the new fleet of low and zero emission vessels being deployed across Norway and other parts of the world. The vessel was at dock having been pulled from service the night before due to a fire in the lithium propulsion batteries; a condition known as thermal runaway. The root cause of the fire is still to be announced, but the secondary explosion caused significant structural damage to the vessel; likely a result of a buildup of flammable gasses below deck. Thankfully none of the 15 people admitted to the hospital were badly injured and all were soon released.

(Excerpt) Read more at spbes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: electric; energy; environment; maritime; navy
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Got this in an email, which is a report/advertisement for this company. I excerpted it as it is LONG, but thought it relevant because of that California diving boat fire a while back as well as a caution on the "thermal runaway" effect, as shipping goes all in on this Green mania.
1 posted on 10/27/2019 12:13:02 PM PDT by Oatka
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To: Oatka

electricity, salt water... what could go wrong?


2 posted on 10/27/2019 12:14:04 PM PDT by Mr. K (No consequence of repealing obamacare is worse than obamacare itself.)
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“electricity, salt water... what could go wrong?”

That’s been around forever, or at least decades. The new factor is LITHIUM batteries.


3 posted on 10/27/2019 12:15:21 PM PDT by BobL (I eat at McDonald's and shop at Walmart - I just don't te Don'tll anyone.)
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To: Oatka

There have been problems with all sorts of ship engines.

Yes, there will be problems here also. Who knew?

Over time the problems will become fewer and fewer.

Any new tech has growing pains.


4 posted on 10/27/2019 12:16:46 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (This space for rent.)
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To: BobL

>>That’s been around forever, or at least decades. The new factor is LITHIUM batteries.<<

Similar to the reason Uncle Fester could not be an astronaut.


5 posted on 10/27/2019 12:17:31 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (As always IMHO)
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To: Oatka

I read an article about that fire, and later I was looking for a cruise to go on. One of them was on a ‘green’ ship, which means it had batteries...passed up that opportunity.

And I’m still having trouble understanding just how large battery banks are supposed to help a cruise ship save energy. I can understand cars, trucks, and other vehicle that are in stop-and-go traffic and thus can use regenerative braking to recover some of the energy associated with stopping, and yes, eventually even cruise ships stop and maybe use reverse thrust once in a while (such as in port) ...but how, exactly, would they regenerate energy and if they did, the amount would be tiny, relative to traveling hundreds of miles through ocean?

It seems to me to be more of a gimmick than even replacing buses with trains.


6 posted on 10/27/2019 12:21:37 PM PDT by BobL (I eat at McDonald's and shop at Walmart - I just don't te Don'tll anyone.)
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To: Oatka

Smug is explosive. Who knew?


7 posted on 10/27/2019 12:23:01 PM PDT by jonascord (First rule of the Dunning-Kruger Club is that you do not know you are in the Dunning-Kruger club.)
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To: Oatka

With a ‘hybrid’ car there is value in capturing energy during braking and using it for future propulsion. The worse at driving a person is the more helpful such technology is (e.g. people who don’t anticipate that they will have to stop at the red light ahead and slam on the brakes at the last minute rather than coast and slow down.)

What value is this on a ship which would stop using its drag or with engines in reverse?


8 posted on 10/27/2019 12:23:16 PM PDT by posterchild
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To: BobL

This ship was a passenger ferry, which I assume travels a short distance, stops at the dock, and then goes back. While at the dock, batteries could be recharged.


9 posted on 10/27/2019 12:30:56 PM PDT by SauronOfMordor (A Leftist can't enjoy life unless they are controlling, hurting, or destroying others.)
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To: Oatka

Hybrid ship. Is that like hermaphrodite brig?


10 posted on 10/27/2019 12:31:03 PM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire. Or both.)
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To: Oatka; Larry Lucido; SaveFerris
On October 11, 2019, an explosion rocked passenger ferry Ytterøyningen while dockside at Sydnes, Norway.

Amazing Tales Of The Harbor.

11 posted on 10/27/2019 12:33:22 PM PDT by Gamecock (Time is short Eternity is long It is reasonable that this short life be lived in light of eternity)
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I’m a watchmaker and won’t allow LITHIUM batteries into my shop!!!! Most batteries can be saved for re-cycling but a box of “dead” LITHIUM batteries, packed for mailing by a store I serviced, overheated on a counter and started a very hot fire.
When it blew, a fire started on the store’s carpet.
When the battery “dies” it is NOT dead. It merely lacks the voltage to do its job. When improperly collected, the voltage increases times the number of batteries.
The U.S. Post Office won’t accept packages containing them.
Maybe it’s best to take the hint.


12 posted on 10/27/2019 12:33:40 PM PDT by CaptainAmiigaf ( N.Y. Times--We print the news as it fits our views)
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To: SauronOfMordor

I guess...but I did actually hear of a cruise ship with that garbage.

Anyway, I guess the people who build ships need to learn the SAME LESSON that everyone learns the hard way, which is that Lithium Batteries are not toys and are not forgiving. They were just very lucky not to fry a boatload of people.


13 posted on 10/27/2019 12:34:28 PM PDT by BobL (I eat at McDonald's and shop at Walmart - I just don't te Don'tll anyone.)
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To: Oatka

In other news, importing large numbers of Islamic fascists into your country causes significant thermal runway.


14 posted on 10/27/2019 12:38:38 PM PDT by Track9
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To: CaptainAmiigaf

“I’m a watchmaker and won’t allow LITHIUM batteries into my shop!!!! “

Do you frisk for cellphones?


15 posted on 10/27/2019 12:41:57 PM PDT by TexasGator (Z1z)
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To: Oatka

Can’t they just use Big Sails instead??


16 posted on 10/27/2019 12:44:34 PM PDT by eyeamok
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Just a matter of time.

https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2019/09/02/dozens-missing-charter-boat-fire-off-ventura-county-coastline-santa-cruz-island/


17 posted on 10/27/2019 12:46:30 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Democrats only believe in democracy when they win the election.)
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To: BobL

“One of them was on a ‘green’ ship, which means it had batteries...passed up that opportunity.”

Probably an LNG.


18 posted on 10/27/2019 12:47:04 PM PDT by TexasGator (Z1z)
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To: posterchild

Not my line of work, but methinks this is close to perpetual motion?

Here it is:

https://callofthesea.org/about-us/our-fleet/matthew-turner/regenerative-electric-propulsion/

And your tax dollars at work!
The dockside solar will be facilitated by the US Army Corps of Engineers at their Bay Model facility, which has recently been outfitted with a rooftop solar array that generates 540 kW/h


19 posted on 10/27/2019 12:47:30 PM PDT by DUMBGRUNT
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To: TexasGator

I wouldn’t be too crazy riding along with several thousand tons of LNG either...gets nasty if the power goes out.


20 posted on 10/27/2019 12:48:33 PM PDT by BobL (I eat at McDonald's and shop at Walmart - I just don't te Don'tll anyone.)
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