Posted on 10/17/2019 2:53:33 AM PDT by goldstategop
LONDON - Boris Johnson has agreed the terms of a Brexit deal, paving the way for a historic vote in the UK parliament which could finally see the UK leave the European Union.
Negotiators in the Belgian capital worked intensively on Tuesday and Wednesday to agree a revised version of the withdrawal agreement, which is set to be put before the UK Parliament on Saturday.
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Let’s hope he wins.
Johnson doesn’t have to send that letter of extension. He’ll make it clear Parliament can accept a negotiated departure or be forced into a no-deal Brexit.
Either way, the UK is set to leave the EU at the end of the month.
I’m holding off with my happy dance til I see the fine print...
The agreement allows NI to remain in the EU with the rest of the island but the UK will cease being in the EU as of October 31.
(with apologies to the Bard).
This isn't going to be a perfect deal, but at this point, I think most of us who support Brexit will live with it.
The alternative is limbo at best. And being trapped at worst.
The question is whether it can get through Parliament - whatever it is.
Jeremy Corbyn: Drat. I was so looking forward to seeing him dead in a ditch. Oh, well. New season of Peaky Blinders is on on Netflix. Last season they offed that pesky Jooo!
Where is the trade border/barrier with Ireland in the agreement?
They can vote against it but what’s the alternative? Europe would rather London good as gone, deal or no deal.
Perfect?
After the deal the UK is either sovereign. Or it ain’t.
Anone know which it is?
There is a hard border between Ireland the UK but NI will separately remain inside the EU customs union. The island will continue to function as a single common market with an open border.
The UK will no longer be in the EU apart from the Irish backstop issue.
Terms of the future UK-EU relationship will have to be negotiated over the coming months.
Sovereignty is my red line, certainly.
But the UK is still sovereign today (in my view and I am actually pretty well informed on British and English constitutional law and history) - I want out of the EU because I fear it will lose its sovereignty if it stays in.
Whatever deal is made, I can't see it making that situation any worse.
This isn't a new issue to me.
And sovereignty has always been my primary concern, and 'ever closer union' is the threat to that sovereignty.
If the EU was still the common market the UK joined, I'd probably be in favour of it. But it's changed from that and it will continue to change.
Until it was too late to leave.
This isn't Britain's last chance yet - but it's getting very close to that, so I damned well want out now.
The Brexit Deal worked out like a labor strike. The deal never gets done until late in the 11th hour. Despite all the push-pull there’s really no incentive for either side to agree until time is about to run-out.
The UK lost its sovereignty the day it joined the EU.
Well, I shouldn’t say lost. The UK handed it over.
Look at the meme ban and link tax. The UK is submitting itself to that.
But if the UK has had enough, good on you.
Parliament is being forced by Johnson to put up or to shut up.
The UK is highly unlikely to get an extension even if Johnson is forced to ask for one.
Johnson is telling his critics one way of another we will leave. You can decide if how you want it.
I’ll be gobsmacked if they reject it again and every one knows what that means.
I don't agree. Anymore than the US (or anybody else) lost their sovereignty when they joined the UN.
But it's not something I really have time to argue about at the moment.
I'll just rely on my studies of British constitutional law, and my decades of service to the Crown in saying I'm pretty confident in my view.
In actual fact, this whole debacle over recent months have proven one thing.
The core of the British constitution still exists - Parliament is still sovereign.
I wish Parliament hadn't taken some of the positions it did, but the fact it was able to force the Prime Minister into compliance is proof that that centre still holds.
The UK Supreme Court on the other hand... if I have my way, bringing that to heel will be the next step. But at least it is a British court, even if it needs to learn it is subservient to Parliament.
[The UK Supreme Court on the other hand... if I have my way, bringing that to heel will be the next step. But at least it is a British court, even if it needs to learn it is subservient to Parliament. ]
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