Skip to comments.Thousands March in Kiev in Protest Against Donbass Peace Plan
Posted on 10/14/2019 7:50:00 PM PDT by NorseViking
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“” “” . Its always been a manufactured crisis by Putinist Russia. It goes away the moment Putin decides it is not worth it.”” “”
That’s Brennan’s talking point. Why there was a revolution 3 months before presidential elections? Yanukovich was about to be voted out anyway by pro-Western opposition.
The problem is every pro-Western government in Ukraine proved to be a disaster but people never learnt.
It was always a landing of a force of DC advisors rearranging control over national business and arranging aid packages for themselves to loot.
It never lasted more than one term for pro-Western leader because the damage was too big for the people to come to terms with.
The revolution and war was designed specifically to prevent return of pro-Russian administration. At current conditions they’d claim everyone who oppose Biden style corruption and want stronger Russian ties for economic benefits of the country as traitors.
Pro-Westerners in Ukraine never talk economy. For decades they are stirring the issue of Russian vs Ukrainian language and Orthodox vs Catholics. That’s all their talking points.
Now they have ‘war’ on top of it. Why Poroshenko derailed peace talks? He was looting the country together with DC advisors and the economy went to crapper. Language, religious baiting and now war were his excuses why there is ruin.
They don’t need a coup. Incompetent ‘good’ government talking good talks and doing nothing real to stop previous wrongdoing is good enough for globalists.
Well, then count me among the thoroughly confused. I’ve listened quite a lot to Stephen F. Cohen on the John Batchelor show. He’s considered one of the foremost experts on Russia, for whatever that’s worth. He’s been on the Batchelor show pretty regularly for upwards of 3 years. I don’t consider him an “apologist” for Russia/Putin (as many do) but he *does* try to get inside their heads to try to understand “where they’re coming from” to use a hackneyed phrase..
From what I gather, he claims the Russia-bordering areas of Ukraine (Donetsk, Donbass) are highly industrialized and closely connected to Russia from the cultural standpoint. He claims people there primarily associate with Russia and generally consider themselves Russian. He claims the Western part of Ukraine is much more agricultural, and while it certainly has value due to its food production, it is backwards and rural in many ways, closer to Europe, and it was in this section of the country where popular sentiment wanted to join Europe and thereby modernize. This dichotomy forms the basis for the divisions in Ukraine.
Those are my impressions from listening to Cohen. I’m sure they are incomplete.
That’s a very simple take but close to truth. Another problem is the East is docile politically and the West is not. For that very reason the political establishment around Central government is mostly influenced by the Western part and they control the narratives for the most.
It’s late and my eyes read something different than “Donbass”.
About 90% of the people in Donetsk speak Russian...not Ukrainian. It seems that it already has special status.
There are also rural black soil areas in the Eastern Ukraine and in many small villages the Ukrainian language is still widely spoken. Remember, Russia killed many of the Ukraine in the 1930s and moved in others. My wife is from Alchevsk in the Lugansk region. She is a Russian speaker but opposes the separatists. She is Ukrainian. Alchevsk is suffering greatly in its current status as part of the breakaway region. Nothing works.
You are correct. That's why the Ukrainian government doesn't want to give them their independence.
Manafort involvement—not good.
Nazis are now confiscating crops from farmers in West Ukraine. Are they the same ‘Russians’ who ‘killed many’ in 1930s?
Been following Batchelor on Chicago’s WLS am 890 weekdays at 10 pm following Mark Levin but find they dropped him or did they move his time slot ? Because of the shows scheduled Levin 7pm,Batchelor 10pm Red Eye 12pm. WLS has been a must for me but that replacement show is a turnoff.
Stephen Cohen was a defender of the Soviet Union from the days of Reagan and now is an apologist for Putin.
"For both Professor Cohen and The Nation (including Cohens wife, Katrina Vanden Heuvel, the Marxist activist who is co-owner, editor, and publisher of The Nation) Ronald Reagan was Public Enemy Number One when it came to world peace. Throughout the 1980s, Cohen was a constant presence on American talking head shows, ripping Reagans aggression toward the Soviet Union."
All that really matters is the Crimea and that issue is settled.
Crimea is Russia
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