Posted on 10/07/2019 7:29:37 AM PDT by Enlightened1
The United States was supposed to be in Syria for 30 days, that was many years ago. We stayed and got deeper and deeper into battle with no aim in sight. When I arrived in Washington, ISIS was running rampant in the area. We quickly defeated 100% of the ISIS Caliphate,.....
....including capturing thousands of ISIS fighters, mostly from Europe. But Europe did not want them back, they said you keep them USA! I said “NO, we did you a great favor and now you want us to hold them in U.S. prisons at tremendous cost. They are yours for trials.” They.....
....almost 3 years, but it is time for us to get out of these ridiculous Endless Wars, many of them tribal, and bring our soldiers home. WE WILL FIGHT WHERE IT IS TO OUR BENEFIT, AND ONLY FIGHT TO WIN. Turkey, Europe, Syria, Iran, Iraq, Russia and the Kurds will now have to.....
...figure the situation out, and what they want to do with the captured ISIS fighters in their “neighborhood.” They all hate ISIS, have been enemies for years. We are 7000 miles away and will crush ISIS again if they come anywhere near us!
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IMO, this approach resonates with more on the political center/center-left than the Dems/MSM care to admit.
Trump is going to win bigly in 2020.
Why in the world would we want to keep European ISIS fighters here? Besides, we need room in our jails for Democrat traitors.
I like this kind of talk. Very logical and plainspoken. Detailed enough to inform, but not overly so, this being Twitter. He sounds sure, strong and fully aware of the present situation.
We do not want to but realize that Prisons and that whole system by and large has been Privatized and is in fact a business, a very BIG business. Each prisoner may yield 10’s of thousands of dollars to the company running them and so keeping them is the key to making it profitable. This is another reason why the abolishment of the Death Penalty and actual execution has disappeared by and large, keeping them is better for business.
Follow the money
Also if something should “happen” then you have a whole bunch of malcontents and enemy fighters in the country, just like the Dems and Obozo planned
I understand why those other countries do not want their ISIS citizens back. Nobody with a brain wants them.
What I suspect will happen, is that these countries will begin paying the United States for this ongoing expense.
Quid pro quo.
I wish we could simply execute them, don’t you? But our present society would probably have a problem with that ‘method of maintenance’.
I support POTUS Trump on this! His words here are the basic truth. We don’t need the inside baseball spin on reasons to stay in these wars. A person can come up with reasons and concerns to get us into a war with anyone. Brian Kilmeade republicans support war in the middle east, weak!
I think this decision is 5 Dimensional Trump deal making. Keep in mind, this is the threat to leave.
1.Another campaign promise kept.
2. Graham is not doing enough to protect the president other than Fox interviews. Trump now has leverage for this hawk and his donors.
3. Trump needs soccer mom support during impeachment process. Bringing home troops works for soccer moms.
4. Impeachment coverage is getting refreshed with the new whistle blower. This competes with that narrative.
5. Finally, EU and the other countries needs to step up to the plate. This gives Trump negotiating leverage.
Brian Kilmeade republicans support sending our soldiers to pointless and endless wars Monday thru Friday, and then watch college and NFL football on the weekend! Pathetic!
A VERY good read on this Syria/ISIS...
President Trump Announces Turkish Unilateral Invasion of Northern Syria…
Things are about to get very interesting and very uncomfortable for NATO. President Trump has announced that Turkey is about to launch a unilateral invasion into Northern Syria… There is going to be a scramble amid many geopolitical interests.
First, the announcement:
(White House) – Today, President Donald J. Trump spoke with President Recep Tayyip Erdogan of Turkey by telephone. Turkey will soon be moving forward with its long-planned operation into Northern Syria.
The United States Armed Forces will not support or be involved in the operation, and United States forces, having defeated the ISIS territorial “Caliphate,” will no longer be in the immediate area.
The United States Government has pressed France, Germany, and other European nations, from which many captured ISIS fighters came, to take them back, but they did not want them and refused.
The United States will not hold them for what could be many years and great cost to the United States taxpayer. Turkey will now be responsible for all ISIS fighters in the area captured over the past two years in the wake of the defeat of the territorial “Caliphate” by the United States.
Next let’s establish the foundation for the scramble:
There was a 2014 Authorization for Use of Military Force (AUMF) voted and approved by Senate committee permitting military action in Syria against the backdrop of chemical weapon use and terrorism – it never went anywhere. The Obama administration used the Bush-era AUMF directed at combating terrorism. With ISIS defeated by President Trump that sketchy 2002 interventionist authorization ends.
Also remember in October 2014 then Vice-President Biden accidentally told the truth when he told an audience that Recep Erdogan was specifically responsible for the rise of ISIS in Syria; and that Turkey had actually armed al-Qaeda, al-Nusra, ISIS, and provided assistance.
Turkey is a member of NATO.
Turkey has previously used its NATO membership as a shield to stop threats from Russia. Remember Turkey shooting down a Russian fighter jet?
Turkish President Recep Erdogan is a manipulative bad actor; a hostile dictator; and sympathetic to extremes within political Islam. Erdogan has openly showcased his friendship with the Muslim Brotherhood.
Europe draws exclusive benefits from NATO defenses. Europe would not take back the ISIS fighters captured in Syria that were EU nationals.
The ISIS prisoners we turn over to Turkey will be regarded less as prisoners, and more likely considered heroes by Erdogan’s govt. Remember, Erdogan gave the Muslim Brotherhood’s leadership safe harbor in Turkey after they were kicked out of Qatar.
Unfortunately, it is likely Erdogan will attack the Kurdish forces in Northern Syria.
The Kurds are U.S. allies; and this will be the point of contention for the neocons.
Turkey will invade NE Syria, but -depending on current strength- Turkey runs the risk of a counter-attack by the Syrian Army, and potentially Russia.
With the European nations, NATO allies, refusing to take their ISIS fighters back as prisoners, President Trump has made a deal with Erdogan to take them.
In the announcement President Trump has made it clear that any action by Turkey into Syria is unilateral; there will be no assistance by the U.S. on any aspect; including if Turkey is counter-attacked by Russia/Syria or organized Kurdish forces.
Essentially, Trump is leaving Erdogan naked to a myriad of his enemies if Erdogan does cross the border. The U.S. part of the NATO shield is removed. The Europeans will likely not evoke the NATO defense treaty without the U.S. Heck, the EU is essentially spineless without the power of the U.S. military.
President Trump is calling out the duplicity of the entire situation by calling all of their bluffs. President Trump is calling-out: NATO, weak EU ‘allies’ and Turkey.
In essence, this White House announcement is a major Gordian knot being cut.
It is unlikely President Erdogan expected to have this framework made so public. This rather loud declaration by President Trump seems strategic in that it could make duplicitous Erdogan think twice about the actual military invasion itself.
However, Erdogan is also a rabid ideologue and he wants to recreate the Ottoman empire… so he’ll likely go ahead regardless of cost.
Down the road…. instead of those ISIS prisoners being held in European jails; and considering the sympathetic Turkish handlers; those ISIS fighters will eventually make their way home without anyone knowing. However, the EU has created that issue by refusing to step-up and take ownership.
That same weak European mindset could likely be facing another challenge surrounding what to do about NATO if Turkey loses this gamble. However, again, another issue created by Europe.
FUBAR.
…But we’re out!
you ask why the world would want toe keep European ISIS fighter in the USA?
Because they might have a European Union court let them lose.
And because a lot of the refugees are their wives and children: and they will want the US to take them on “humanitarian grounds”.
Some of these Women are more rabid than the men (and who often “supervised” atrocities against women, and the kids who grew up brainwashed (and would continue to be brainwashed by their mothers if left in their care, meaning they would be a security risk for many years ).
“... that whole system by and large has been Privatized and is in fact a business...”
State side it might be. But another thought are the CIA “black sites” located in different parts of the world used for holding and interrogation. This subject has not been in the news since the Bush administration when the water boarding thing came up concerning Khalid Sheikh Mohammed at the Poland site. Another name attached to it was Hassan Ghul, born Mustafa Hajji Muhammad Khan, who created the trail to find Bin Laden when he was kept at another site and questioned. Most of the sites were closed. Trump is exhibiting an appearance to reopening some of them. Most of them are downrange so the prisoners will not be kept in the US.
rwood
Not sure why anyone can oppose getting out of this area and bringing our troops home. If there is a war, we go and win it, but these little skirmishes are best handled by locals or those with national security interests.
And what about the Kurds?
If they make it that far....
I’m with the POTUS! Pull our troops out in an orderly fashion, and turn the ISIS prisoners over to the Europeans and concerned locals. Those ISIS terrorists signed on to fight and die for Allah. Maybe whutzisface from Syria, and Putin, et al, will arrange it for them to meet Allah real soon. Why sugar coat it. War is hell. Sherman was correct.
Why do I get the feeling that Killmeade is finessing and obscuring the fact that he’s a Never Trumper?
You mean NW Iranian mountain people, most of whom are muslim?
Regardless of pictures of cute female Kurdish soldiers ...
Bring our boys and girls home.
Hand them to the Kurds. The problem will solve itself.
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