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Missing piece to the Ukraine puzzle: State Department's overture to Rudy Giuliani
The Hill ^ | 9/20/2019 | john Solomon

Posted on 09/20/2019 7:55:20 PM PDT by bitt

When I was a young journalist decades ago, training to cover Washington, one of my mentors offered sage advice: When it comes to U.S. intelligence and diplomacy, things often aren’t what they first seem.

Those words echo in my brain today, as much as they did that first day. And following the news recently, I realize they are just as relevant today with hysteria regarding presidential lawyer Rudy Giuliani’s contacts with Ukraine’s government.

The coverage suggests Giuliani reached out to new Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky’s team this summer solely because he wanted to get dirt on possible Trump 2020 challenger Joe Biden and his son Hunter’s business dealings in that country.

Politics or law could have been part of Giuliani’s motive, and neither would be illegal.

But there is a missing part of the story that the American public needs in order to assess what really happened: Giuliani’s contact with Zelensky adviser and attorney Andrei Yermak this summer was encouraged and facilitated by the U.S. State Department.

Giuliani didn’t initiate it. A senior U.S. diplomat contacted him in July and asked for permission to connect Yermak with him.

Then, Giuliani met in early August with Yermak on neutral ground — in Spain — before reporting back to State everything that occurred at the meeting.

That debriefing occurred Aug. 11 by phone with two senior U.S. diplomats, one with responsibility for Ukraine and the other with responsibility for the European Union, according to electronic communications records I reviewed and interviews I conducted.

When asked on Friday, Giuliani confirmed to me that the State Department asked him to take the Yermak meeting and that he did, in fact, apprise U.S. officials every step of the way.

(Excerpt) Read more at thehill.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections; US: Delaware
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1 posted on 09/20/2019 7:55:20 PM PDT by bitt
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To: Whenifhow; null and void; aragorn; EnigmaticAnomaly; kalee; Kale; 2ndDivisionVet; azishot; ...

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2 posted on 09/20/2019 7:55:36 PM PDT by bitt (Trump stole pancakes from his distant cousin. Huh.)
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So the Dems instigate the media frenzy about Ukraine only to find THIS? That’s what they get for using one of those Acme Whistleblowers.


3 posted on 09/20/2019 8:04:26 PM PDT by hardspunned
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To: hardspunned

Does the whistleblower even exist? Smells like a rabbit trail laid by trump and the dems and media caught the rabbit.


4 posted on 09/20/2019 8:12:13 PM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: bitt; Liz
***The truth is, getting to the bottom of the Ukraine allegations will benefit everyone. If the Bidens and Ukraine did nothing wrong, they should be absolved. If wrongdoing happened, then it should be dealt with
The folly of the current coverage is preventing us from getting the answer we deserve.
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The folly is that the Ukraine is holding evidence to criminally charge Joe Biden but because he is a Democrat and front runner for Prez nominee it cannot be acted upon; BUT we can use all that dirt to smear Prez Trump for talking to the Ukraine about it and call it grounds for impeachment.

When will the 'rats & their media stop calling all the shots and justice be served on their filthy nests? Is there the slightest hint that DoJ is looking at the Biden/Ukraine connection?

5 posted on 09/20/2019 8:43:43 PM PDT by Bob Ireland (The Democrap Party is the enemy of freedom.They use all the seductions and deceits of the Bolshevics)
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To: Rebelbase

Trump gets them every time. Always more to the story. Just like when Trump said he was being wiretapped and the media made fun of him for days. Of course, it turned out, not only being wiretapped, but much worse.


6 posted on 09/20/2019 8:50:33 PM PDT by gswilder
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To: bitt

I will still be happier when Rudy leaves Washington, and goes back to New York.


7 posted on 09/20/2019 8:51:48 PM PDT by lee martell
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8 posted on 09/20/2019 9:17:57 PM PDT by 4Liberty (The taxpayers can always take one more for the team. - The Government)
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To: bitt

To read later.


9 posted on 09/20/2019 9:46:51 PM PDT by NetAddicted (Just looking)
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To: bitt

I am still waiting for an article questioning Biden’s corruption instead.


10 posted on 09/20/2019 9:55:36 PM PDT by NorseViking
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To: hardspunned
So the Dems instigate the media frenzy about Ukraine only to find THIS?

No. THIS IS WHY they're making such a fuss.

Remember that scene in A Funny Thing Happened On The Way To The FORUM where Pseudolus starts screaming, "Plague!"?

11 posted on 09/20/2019 9:56:37 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (This Space For Rant)
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To: bitt

John Solomon hits another homer. Make sure you read the whole thing for gems like these:

“Ukraine’s government under recently departed President Petro Poroshenko and, now, Zelensky has been trying since summer 2018 to hand over evidence about the conduct of Americans they believe might be involved in violations of U.S. law during the Obama years.”

“Then the Ukrainians hired a former U.S. attorney — not Giuliani — to hand-deliver the evidence of wrongdoing to the U.S. Attorney’s Office in New York, but the federal prosecutors never responded.

The U.S. attorney, a respected American, confirmed the Ukrainians’ story to me. The allegations that Ukrainian officials wanted to pass on involved both efforts by the Democratic National Committee to pressure Ukraine to meddle in the 2016 U.S. election as well as Joe Biden’s son’s effort to make money in Ukraine while the former vice president managed U.S.-Ukraine relations, the retired U.S. attorney told me.”

“And her (Clinton’s) party leaders, the Democratic National Committee, asked the Ukraine embassy to also try to dig up dirt on Trump. That’s not a record worthy of throwing the first punch on this story.”

So it seems Hellary and the Dims did exactly what they are now accusing Pres. Trump of doing, and also suppressing evidence of probable crimes by their supporters (Hunter Biden and the Podesta brothers?).


12 posted on 09/20/2019 10:12:22 PM PDT by VanShuyten ("...that all the donkeys were dead. I know nothing as to the fate of the less valuable animals.")
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To: bitt

I think Liz Warren will be the nominee anyway.


13 posted on 09/20/2019 11:13:55 PM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Her daughter is tied to the firm that did the Ukrainian work during Obama administration.


14 posted on 09/20/2019 11:34:18 PM PDT by tired&retired (Blessings)
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To: tired&retired

McKinsey, the standard-bearer for autocrats, looters and torturers

In a deeply researched longread, New York Times investigative reporters Walt Bogdanich and Michael Forsythe document in fine detail the role played by the ubiquitous McKinsey and Company in legitimizing, coordinating, and supercharging the world’s most notorious human-rights-abusing regimes, from Saudi Arabia to China to Russia.

In these countries, McKinsey consultants confer with ex-McKinsey consultants who ascend to high ranks in government ministries and para-governmental entities (such as Russia’s VEB bank, which operates as a not-very-secret arm of the Kremlin), and the McKinsey company hires the scions of local power-brokers to work in their ranks.

McKinsey worked alongside Paul Manafort to legitimize and guide Ukraine’s Viktor Yanukovych; they were one of the few “Western” countries to attend the “Davos in the Desert” event thrown by the Saudis after the murder of journalist Jamal Khashoggi; they had their fingers deep in the embezzlement scandal that brought down the Malaysian government.

https://boingboing.net/2018/12/16/rationalizations-and-profits.html


15 posted on 09/20/2019 11:42:57 PM PDT by tired&retired (Blessings)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege
"I think Liz Warren will be the nominee anyway."

Good. Her socialist/commie give-aways will be easily countered by Trump. Not to mention she is a Hillary clone with all the smiley face coming on stage and then goes into her screaming harpie harangue promising everyone with everything. Trump will devastate her with facts, stats, and economic impossibilities.

16 posted on 09/21/2019 12:26:44 AM PDT by A Navy Vet (I'm not Islamophobic - I'm Islamonauseous. Also LGBTQxyz nauseous.)
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To: bitt

Thanks for posting. Saw a little about it on a certain news channel this evening.


17 posted on 09/21/2019 12:59:58 AM PDT by blondiegoodbadugly (Thank you President Trump! Please continue MAGA)
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To: VanShuyten

well done


18 posted on 09/21/2019 1:05:12 AM PDT by blondiegoodbadugly (Thank you President Trump! Please continue MAGA)
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To: bitt

This is shining more light on Biden and son

Unintended consequence strikes Dems again

Boo hoo


19 posted on 09/21/2019 1:42:39 AM PDT by wardaddy (I applaud Jim Robinson for his comments on the Southern Monuments decision ...thank you)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Nope....she’ll be VP....probably with Biden.


20 posted on 09/21/2019 1:43:20 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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