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President Donald Trump approves deployment of US forces to Saudi Arabia, UAE after attack on oil...
WTOP ^ | 9/20/19 | AP?

Posted on 09/20/2019 4:23:33 PM PDT by blueyon

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To: Mariner

“The Carter Doctrine ...”

Reason enough to toss it on the ash heap.

L


61 posted on 09/20/2019 7:23:34 PM PDT by Lurker (Peaceful coexistence with the Left is not possible. Stop pretending that it is.)
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To: Reno89519

Numerous reports of a single, unnamed “Saudi Government Official”.

He could have worked at the local DMV.

And nobody as asserted otherwise.


62 posted on 09/20/2019 7:26:26 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Lurker

“Reason enough to toss it on the ash heap.”

For the simple and unthinking, I suppose it is. Emotion drives them.


63 posted on 09/20/2019 7:27:40 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: blueyon

This is nothing more than a setup to force Trump to fight someone else’s war! If we fight we should be keep all the spoils 100%...no more free shit for our American blood!!!


64 posted on 09/20/2019 7:28:10 PM PDT by Randy Larsen (Trump IS MY president and I'm damn proud of him!)
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To: Mariner

Carter was a complete disaster as President. Any “doctrine” that moron and his idiot trained monkey “staff” came up with should be buried face down in an Indiana cornfield.

L


65 posted on 09/20/2019 7:35:29 PM PDT by Lurker (Peaceful coexistence with the Left is not possible. Stop pretending that it is.)
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To: grumpygresh

“Remember US reserve currency is backed by military. I don’t think this is a good situation but US has been stuck here since Breton Woods. When you run out of gold to back your money you back it with a gun.”

Federal taxing power really has more to do with giving the dollar value, an insight going back to Alexander Hamilton. People need dollars to pay their taxes, creating a demand for them.

What gold backing did is provide a brake that kept the quantity of dollars in check and inflation at bay.

But the decision at Bretton Woods to use the dollar as the world’s reserve currency set in motion the Triffin Paradox, which ultimately forced a choice between scrapping the reserve currency role or scrapping gold backing- and Nixon chose to scrap gold.

What Nixon actually did was “suspend” convertibility to gold by Executive Order.. meaning that the Bretton Woods Agreement is still there but inoperative, and gold convertibility can be restored if any President wants to issue a countermanding Executive Order. Somebody out to mention this to Trump....


66 posted on 09/20/2019 7:39:04 PM PDT by Pelham (Secure Voter ID. Mexico has it, because unlike us they take voting seriously)
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To: Reno89519

The Sauds have never been our friends. They are double dealing untrustworthy and inept. American forces are just their hired help, their rentals. Nothing else.

It has been decades since I have been in the ME but I doubt their character or competence has changed. I doubt they could operate anything more complex than a toothbrush—not that they would bother to own one. ANY weapon system they employed would have to have Americans behind it.


67 posted on 09/20/2019 7:41:32 PM PDT by whistleduck
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To: Lurker

Do you even know what is says?


68 posted on 09/20/2019 7:47:09 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: tinyowl

In your comment #25, you described the situation pretty much as it appears to be.


69 posted on 09/20/2019 7:48:47 PM PDT by familyop ("Welcome to Costco. I love you." - -Costco greeter in the movie, "Idiocracy")
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To: Mariner

Yes. You were thoughtful enough to lay it out. The free flow of oil at market prices is much more crucial to Europe and Japan than it is to us.

Let them defend those duplicitous bastards in Riyadh.

We should have turned them into radioactive dust 18 years ago.

L


70 posted on 09/20/2019 7:50:21 PM PDT by Lurker (Peaceful coexistence with the Left is not possible. Stop pretending that it is.)
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To: humbleexpert
"Do we need the Saudis to supply us with oil as they have in the past? No. The U.S. has become self-sufficient in oil production."

The United States is still a net importer of oil.

How much petroleum does the United States import and export? [2018]
https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=727&t=6
"The resulting net imports (imports minus exports) of petroleum were about 2.34 MMb/d."

71 posted on 09/20/2019 7:54:01 PM PDT by familyop ("Welcome to Costco. I love you." - -Costco greeter in the movie, "Idiocracy")
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To: humbleexpert
That was from the U.S. Energy Information Administration, by the way.

The United States is still a net importer of oil.

How much petroleum does the United States import and export? [2018]
https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=727&t=6
"The resulting net imports (imports minus exports) of petroleum were about 2.34 MMb/d."

72 posted on 09/20/2019 7:55:11 PM PDT by familyop ("Welcome to Costco. I love you." - -Costco greeter in the movie, "Idiocracy")
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

We are there to study the tactics of the Iranians. Drone swarms are a real problem.


73 posted on 09/20/2019 7:56:27 PM PDT by AppyPappy (How many fingers am I holding up, Winston?)
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To: blueyon

Just yesterday, I saw local gas prices go up 26 cents then back down 16 cents in the same day.


74 posted on 09/20/2019 7:57:23 PM PDT by familyop ("Welcome to Costco. I love you." - -Costco greeter in the movie, "Idiocracy")
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To: blueyon

Come to think of it, the prices went up 26 cents then back down 17 cents in the same day.


75 posted on 09/20/2019 7:58:56 PM PDT by familyop ("Welcome to Costco. I love you." - -Costco greeter in the movie, "Idiocracy")
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To: humbleexpert

*** Are we sending our soldiers in exchange for Saudi money? ***

Saudi Arabia is the 100% owner of the World’s largest oil refinery located in Port Arthur, Texas.

Every one had a cow at Tulsi Gabbard’s statement that America should not be Saudi Arabia’s bitch and send our servicemen into fight Saudi Wars.

Well, if KSA shut down that refinery, and shut down access to all the water rights they’ve bought up in the Western US we would feel that, so, yes, we will expend American lives and dance to the Piper of the KSA.

My opinion which someone will disagree with.


76 posted on 09/20/2019 8:41:58 PM PDT by sockmonkey (I am an America First, not Israel First FReeper.)
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To: whistleduck

I remember the Saudis in my Navy electronics classe. I doubt most could change a lightbulb without help.


77 posted on 09/20/2019 8:43:43 PM PDT by Reno89519 (No Amnesty! No Catch-and-Release! Just Say No to All Illegal Aliens! Arrest & Deport!)
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To: ifinnegan

indeed. basically, trump is sending some Patriot Anti-Missile batteries to help protect the big SA refineries from Iranian air attack, along with some military techs to operate them.

knowing Trump, the SAs will be paying for all of the expenses.

Installing powerful defensive measures is always a good thing as it discourages attack in the first place ...


78 posted on 09/20/2019 9:25:35 PM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: familyop

We are down to about 5-9% of oil imports from the Saudis. Let them fend for themselves.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/08/15/saudi-arabia-dramatically-changing-its-oil-exports-to-china-and-the-us.html

https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=W_EPC0_IM0_NUS-NSA_MBBLD&f=W


79 posted on 09/20/2019 9:30:29 PM PDT by Drago
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To: dp0622

I’m with you. I’ve been going at here with some chickenhawk who is chomping at the bit for war with Iran. Let the Saudis handle their own troubles. For almost fifty year we’ve been yelling ‘’Drill for our own oil’’. Well it’s high time we did and to hell with the Arab Middle East. Enough of spending our blood and treasure protecting Saudi oil sheiks.


80 posted on 09/20/2019 9:47:21 PM PDT by jmacusa ("If wisdom is not the Lord, what is wisdom?)
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