Posted on 09/19/2019 4:02:05 PM PDT by OddLane
With political machinations and intrigues in full swing following Tuesday’s election, both Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Blue and White leader Benny Gantz have said they want a national unity government.
Netanyahu,however, said that he wants such a government to include his ultra-Orthodox and religious-Zionist allies, which Gantz and his party oppose.
Support for a national unity government without the ultra-Orthodox parties is actually widespread, with some two-thirds of the Jewish Israeli public backing such a coalition, including half of all Likud voters.
(Excerpt) Read more at jpost.com ...
I read Israel will have an Orthodox majority by 2030. Guess the sinful minority are starting to panic.
The Jerusalem Post is much like the Washington Post. Full of bullsheit leftist articles like this. They’ll say pretty much anything they think might influence or mislead people into supporting leftist and anti- religious power- grabbing , control, or influence.
The biggest issue I’ve heard is resentment—since the Ultra-Orthodox refuse to fight in the military—saying they must study the law. Kind of ridiculous, if you ask me.
Two-thirds against the "ultra" Orthodox, is that like the "far" right wing? That makes sense. The Bible says at the end times only 1/3 of the Jews will be saved, and 2/3 will perish.
Ultra-Orthodox typically means strict adherence to the Holy Book. In this case the Old Testament / Torah.
So, since the old books are replete with the Jewish people fighting in wars I’ve often wondered how they come to this position. How do they justify it?
Isralis are sick of it. They stidy the talmud all day, mooch off the gpvernment, and refuse to go into the army.
2/3 of Jews to die in End Times.
Please reference the source (Revelation, I guess). I am not arguing or anything-—just want to read it. Funny it is 2/3 like the poll now.
Many great Biblical figures including Abraham, Moses, Joshua, and David fought just fine, thank you. There was a Biblical exemption for newlywed men (Deut. 24:5)
The Mishna (a compilation of Jewish teachings dating, it is believed, far back into Biblical times and put down in writing shortly after the turn of the era), includes a teaching that everyone must help defend the community.
A millenium later, Maimonides (”the Rambam”) wrote about the Tribe of Levi as being exempted from defense, military service. He went on to describe a (quite idealized, imho) broader group of religious scholars as possibly also being exempt, quote 1 below. But Maimonides also extolled the fighting powress of Abraham, for instance, quote 2 below. Other authorities or commentators (some “Achronim” or religious scholars in the centuries following Maimonides) put forward the idea that everybody must help defend the nation (such as in quote 3 below).
All in all, I side with the view that everybody must help defend the land. Bible/Torah scholars should, imho, participate in training and then actually serve when needed (they can be granted student deferments on a reasonable basis, but definitely they should pull their weight in the common defense imho).
I say that opinion with the very highest and greatest respect for the many sincerely religious people studying in these seminaries, academies, colleges, etc.
The greatest respect!
Still, as the Mishna says,”in an obligatory war everyone must go to war, even a groom from his chamber and a bride from her canopy.” (Misha Motah 44b), Deuteronomy notwithstanding. I concur with this Mishnaic POV, but no matter as regards most of the religious scholars. They need to help defend the land imho, and most of them they are not exempted by Deut. 24:5.
There's a difference between Orthodox and Ultra-Orthodox. The Ultras (Haredi) in Israel appear to have a high percentage who demand to be exempt from military conscription, and who live on welfare in order to spend their days in Torah study.
In the whole land, declares the LORD, two thirds shall be cut off and perish, and one third shall be left alive. — Zechariah 13:8 [ESV]
The haredim aren’t loyal to the state, refuse to serve in the army and they mooch off the public by expecting them to subsidize their parasitical religious lifestyle.
Those days are over and the status quo is coming to an end. The haredim’s bid to maintain it at all costs has been thwarted.
And Gantz had an Obama crony’s help with his strategy of courting Arabs hostile to Israel’s existence.
Would not make the Orthodox hapy. Unless they make a deal and let them build a temple on or near the mount.
The resentment isn’t that they refuse to fight but that service is mandatory for everyone else. We don’t resent the Amish but some might if there was a draft.
Now the mooching part naturally would raise resentment since it resembles the resentment of those Mormons who frequently take advantage of welfare services to support their huge breeder families as well as inner city breeders who do so and anchor baby producers.
Thank you for your response. But, I still do not know how those people justify their, we will not fight, stance given the history of the Jewish people.
I am well aware of the exemptions for newlyweds. Especially for those that had not yet consummated their marriage or, in some interpretations conceived their first male child thus ensuring the continuation of the line.
I am not aware of any law of old which exempted any group as a whole from an obligation to fight to protect Israel.
So, I am curious what do they use as justification of their position?
Thanks for that clarification.
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