If that happens, be assured that the average gun owner who is already refusing to register guns and/or turn them in will similarly feel no compunction about doing this, repeatedly:
Posted on 09/19/2019 4:16:48 AM PDT by from occupied ga
Pun intended?
That’s a great clip. Very apropos.
I call them what they are....semi-automatic rifles.
“Assault weapons” is a term the corrupt media started using back in 1989 to confuse and lie to the low information public.
It has been a pleasure to read this well reasoned and analytical thread this morning.
I know both police officers and military personnel.
I believe that the article is classifying the action of the police properly but the percentages are way off. Few will quit when told to disarm Americans. This is antidotal and is based on discussions with LEO that I know. Their need to control any situation will result in brutal overreaction in the course of seizing weapons. They will do what they are told.
Based on my discussions with military personnel (mostly officers) here is the bottom line to “Will the military open fire on Americans.” Answer: “An 18 year old grunt will absolutely open fire if told to do so. He has no choice.”
Right now the Government is gearing up to go on offense regarding gun control. As long as gun owners stay on defense, they will lose. No war was ever won on defense. The tipping point will be when something happens to cause the American citizens to go on offense. Then all hell breaks loose, and nobody is safe all the way up the chain.
I have this fantasy regarding Waco. In the midst of the confrontation between the Feds and the Branch Davidians, if the governor of Texas had called out the Texas National Guard to stand between the two sides and negotiate a settlement, we would be a different country today. But the governor of Texas was Ann Richards, Democrat, so the BD were doomed.
Civilian disarmament attempts have already begun and are in process every week now. Under "Red Flag" laws, there have been over 5000 seizures in various States over the last two years. To be sure, these are just warm-up exercises. There has been no effective resistance, legal or otherwise.
The attacks are multi-pronged. There are proposed new "Gun Storage" laws which will make it prohibitively expensive for individuals to keep firearms and subject them to felony charges if they violate the new "laws". There are new taxes and restrictions on purchase of ammunition which will do the same. There are concerted efforts to deny banking and insurance services to businesses in the firearms industry and to individual firearms owners.
Your health care providers ask you on every visit, "Have you felt depressed in the last month?". Some now ask "Do you have any firearms in the home?". The Government has unlimited access to those records regardless of the HIPPA laws. Its a matter of "Public Safety". Just remember: "Everything you say can and will be used against you".
Institutional structures are dominated today by Leftists and are instruments of their rule. They will remain functioning - until they don't. This will not be fixed by voting or lawsuits.
Once the police adopt the ideas that society is more important than the individual, any act against the individual is permissible.
I looked up the word “milice”. Did not know they existed during WWII Vichy France. 25,000 milice did the Nazi’s dirty work because they knew the local dialects.
Knew there were plenty of collaborators but not of this.
We have to be truly concerned about police following illegal orders in order to protect their pensions.
Someone mentioned zero failures by police to carry out Red Flag confiscations. Even if a judge dismisses the complaint, the accused’s gun are still gone. If the judge orders his guns to be returned, the police flip him off & say, “So sue us”.
We are headed for fascistic times. Glad I’m getting old.
“One has to recognize the racial aspects of gun control. There are millions of blacks who possess firearms illegally and the cops can’t disarm them NOW. So what happens when the Democrats turn tens of millions of white people (because, face it, “gun control” is about disarming whites) into criminals who own firearms? They can’t disarm millions of blacks now how in the world do they expect to disarm tens of millions of whites?”
When cops abuse a few blacks, maybe a few cops get shot, or shot at; cooperation drops to nil in those neighborhoods for a while; maybe a few cop cars get torched.
If the police go after the guns of otherwise law-abiding whites in sufficient numbers, it WILL become known very quickly. Then you will see some whites who haven’t yet been raided taking out key parts of the electrical power infrastructure around a few major cities. Ditto for water delivery. A few food trucks will be shot up, and food deliveries will stop. A computer worm will disrupt several key LE systems. Etc., etc. Let’s see them go and grab guns when the cities are burning due to food riots, or just plain riots because the lights are out (the latter happens ALL the time).
Oh, and sooner or later, some raids are going to take out a guy’s family when the husband/father is not there. Having already lost everything, some of these guys are going to be our for blood - and then cops’ homes will be targets. That, or the politicians who ordered the raids in the first place.
Yeah, let’s see how long the gun raids will continue - that is, if they even get started (because if I can think of this stuff in a few seconds, others can and probably have developed very detailed plans and have very detailed lists of key people on the other side).
So long as the cops abide by the Constitution, there will be less of these threads over time.
I say this as someone with friends who are police officers, and who understands the need that our society has for that thin blue line.
But my reflexive backing of them ends when they start obeying unconstitutional orders...and especially if they ever start mass raids to seize the lawfully-acquired and lawfully-used firearms of thoroughly decent people. Yours should, too.
Here is sage advice from “Travis McGee” and his ‘when the music stops essay.’
“Most of us wish we could turn back the calendar to Norman Rockwell’s America. But we cannot, for that America is water long over the dam and gone from our sight, if not from our memories. John Adams said, “Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” If that is true, judging by current and even accelerating cultural shifts, we might already have passed the point of no return.”
I doubt if many of them have considered this possibility.
How much is not following unlawful orders covered in their training?
IMO there needs to be some kind of Constitutional proficiency course for everyone in government, that must be passed every year or 2.
History proves that every tyranny starts with, and is enforced by, law enforcement going along with it.
If people have been taught Constitutional principles, there will be less chance that they would go along with thug elitists trying to tear them down.
If that happens, be assured that the average gun owner who is already refusing to register guns and/or turn them in will similarly feel no compunction about doing this, repeatedly:
“If there was ever a mandatory gun buy-back (there never will be) the feds would mostly be charged with enforcing it. Pretty much every local cop I have ever met would never enforce such nonsense.”
‘They’ forget that the enemy has a vote in the fight.
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I do believe these are empty threats. Sort of like the Uniparty gaslighting all of us. Libtards with Abortion and us with gun control. It is a dangerous, delicate balancing act they are trying to pull off here and when they slip millions could die.
“As long as the cops are “enforcing” the law, they will be immunized from the consequences of their actions and feckless DAs, hand picked by the elites, will not prosecute them.”
Lawlessness DOES have consequences. It may take a while, but as the saying goes, karma is a bitch.
Carl Benjamin, aka Sargon of Akkad, says that we have reached “Peak Weimar.”
And we all know that nothing good follows that.
“Alas, Brave New Babylon”
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Especially the political police chiefs presently pandering to political bosses for self-promotion. That might be a successful formula in some jurisdictions today, BUT....
They are a very weak link in the entire gun grabbing scheme, and when events turn out VERY badly for them, the rest of the gun-grabbing political police chiefs will melt like snowflakes in the Sahara. They will take early retirement en masse, and go into their own private protection plans in distant locales.
Their successors will very loudly and publicly state that they will NOT under ANY circumstances allow their depts to take part in ANY federal gun confiscation raids.
Then very soon, the FLEAs will be all on their lonesome, outnumbered 100,000 to one, and feeling very vulnerable in convoys of black SUVs and fake cable TV trucks.
With vaping now under attack, maybe purveyors can bottle the magic scent & taste of boot licking and holster sniffing to deliver that oh so satisfying/ecstatic high statists crave.
You are right on the money. It will be a guerrilla hit and run conflict like what happened in Ireland. Those in power will have to live 14-7 with a serious fear that they might be taken out, or bombed at any time with selective surgical actions. Many innocent around them at the same time. As it is now they are fairly safe. But If they do this they will have to imprison themselves and hide in a box.
It needs to be made very clear that this is indeed a hill the people are willing to die on. With guns or not this will be the result, without is going to be a much bigger mess and even more innocent bystanders will be in peril. This is a can of worms they better think twice about opening, it is not going to be like other countries who outlawed guns. This country will not roll over and comply willingly like the others.
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