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Renewable Energy Hits the Wall
American Thinker ^ | August 17, 2019 | Norman Rogers

Posted on 08/17/2019 7:13:58 AM PDT by george76

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To: jcon40
better tech is following

That's the point that is often missed. The money spent on R&D (materials) has paid back many times over with better technology. In fact it was the evil Bell monopoly that invented semiconductors and semiconductor photocells. If we didn't have that history (capitalism), the global warming alarmists would be telling us to cover the country completely in selenium photocells (1% efficiency) right now.

41 posted on 08/17/2019 9:12:23 AM PDT by palmer (...if we do not have strong families and strong values, then we will be weak and we will not survive)
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To: george76
For a natural gas plant, the gas to generate a megawatt-hour of electricity costs about $20. That $20 is the economic value of each megawatt-hour generated by wind or solar. Unsubsidized, wind or solar electricity, either one, costs about $80 a megawatt-hour to generate. The difference between $80 and $20 is the subsidy that has to be paid in order to use wind or solar. ... batteries are very costly for moving electricity. A megawatt-hour of solar electricity that costs, unsubsidized, $80 during the day ends up costing $270 when moved to the early evening via a battery... The $270 includes the cost of replacing the battery every five years.

Liberals have a way of forgetting costs involved in creating and maintaining so-called green energy.

The price of food at the grocery store would be cheap IF the prices on the shelves ONLY reflected farmer's costs - and not transportation, processing and packaging... You'd walk to the cash register with $30 worth of food - then have the store add on the other costs at checkout - walking out paying $90 bucks for your thirty dollars worth of food.

That's how liberals run the green energy scam.

42 posted on 08/17/2019 9:27:37 AM PDT by GOPJ (All companies receiving large 'grants' from the government need to be investigated for corruption.)
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To: ConservativeDude
"Is that true? I thought the released water flows through a turbine and spins it and generates electricity?"

The full hydro cycle....solar energy evaporates water from the ocean. Water condenses and falls as rain somewhere in the "watershed" that feeds the river that feeds the dam.

The sun is the energy source. The watershed and river are the collectors. The turbine is only what converts the weight of falling water into electricity.

43 posted on 08/17/2019 9:55:56 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel and NRA Life Member)
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To: ConservativeDude
Sounds like I have misunderstood hydroelectric? Can you point me towards resources to better understand that?

Actually they do use Hydro as a storage device by pumping water into a storage basin usually called a pump back station. They pump into storage when demand is low and electric is cheap then release it back when the demand is high. Technically that makes it a storage device but it costs more to pump the basin full than it gains back when it is released. The only thing that makes it possible is the hydro damn produces power whether it is used or not.

44 posted on 08/17/2019 9:56:27 AM PDT by itsahoot (Welcome to the New USA where Islam is a religion of peace and Christianity is a mental disorder.)
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To: george76

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45 posted on 08/17/2019 10:19:42 AM PDT by aquila48
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To: bert
I have come to believe that the future in America is the develpoment of small and relative simple power genetating units rather than a few humongous widely spaced units.

Which is where we would probably be right now had we gone with Tesla and his DC current rather than Edison and his AC current.

46 posted on 08/17/2019 10:25:41 AM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s........you weren't really there)
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To: george76

This is idiocy

I install and fix 2-3 solar systems a week

The PV industry is 150-160 billion $ a year and growing at 20% per year

A 300 w solar panel now costs 150$

Solar capacity in California is 29000MW. There’s 2900 MW in New Jersey where my parents live and I’ve installed over 200 kw

I have systems out there since the 1990s

So all the LOSERS who try to say otherwise I say

OBEY YOUR UTILITY MASTERS


47 posted on 08/17/2019 10:47:32 AM PDT by Truthoverpower (The guvmint you get is the Trump winning express !)
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To: bigbob

It all depends on how long your energy requirement is. We have plenty of energy in the form of LNG and after we run out of that, there is plenty left on the east and west coast in the form of methane hydrates.


48 posted on 08/17/2019 10:52:48 AM PDT by 353FMG
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To: ChildOfThe60s; bert
I have come to believe that the future in America is the develpoment of small and relative simple power genetating units rather than a few humongous widely spaced units. - bert
Which is where we would probably be right now had we gone with Tesla Edison and his DC current rather than EdisonTesla and his AC current.
Oops.

49 posted on 08/17/2019 11:04:46 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (Socialism is cynicism directed towards society and - correspondingly - naivete towards government.)
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To: shanover
the future in America is the development of small and relative simple power generating units - bert
Big energy and big government will never allow that energy independence any time soon.
You are forgetting fusion power. That’s only ten years away (and has been, for five or six decades now).

50 posted on 08/17/2019 11:13:17 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (Socialism is cynicism directed towards society and - correspondingly - naivete towards government.)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion

I stand corrected. Thank you! This has prompted me to read a little more on the subject. LOL.

This is a short but informative piece on it at the Dept of Energy web site:
https://www.energy.gov/articles/war-currents-ac-vs-dc-power


51 posted on 08/17/2019 12:04:39 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s........you weren't really there)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

Concur. The AGW Big Lie needs to constantly ridiculed!


52 posted on 08/17/2019 2:19:44 PM PDT by DakotaGator (Weep for the lost Republic! And keep your powder dry!!)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion
fusion power

What about "Thorium salt" reactors?

53 posted on 08/17/2019 2:41:09 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER ( "The Owl" eats RATs for breakfast!)
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To: CedarDave

It is depressing living in NM. I hope to leave when my kids are grown. I vote every election, but it does no good.


54 posted on 08/17/2019 5:16:56 PM PDT by refermech
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To: ROCKLOBSTER
"Thorium salt” reactors
Been a long time since I thought I knew anything much about nuclear power tech.

Did know a little something about it - but haven’t kept up much in the past half-century . . .


55 posted on 08/17/2019 6:09:12 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (Socialism is cynicism directed towards society and - correspondingly - naivete towards government.)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion

When rereading my post, I realized I omitted “nuclear”

It is interesting that it can be interpreted as consideration for direct current, not my intention

The nucs would be easily integrated into the existing AC grid


56 posted on 08/18/2019 4:32:56 AM PDT by bert ( (KE. NP. N.btyC. +12) Progressives are existential American enemies)
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To: Helotes

Our capitalist system will find it because the money is right.”

Yes, that is true. However...as long as it is “profitable” now with subsidies, there is no urgency to develop the solution(s).

Seems to me in this context, subsidies are directly hindering the thing it is supposed to help.....


57 posted on 08/18/2019 3:58:25 PM PDT by ConservativeDude
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To: bigbob

got it, I understand that now.

A bit of semantics for sure. Hydro does generate electricity; but so long as the water is not flowing, it is “storing” electricity as it were......


58 posted on 08/18/2019 4:00:08 PM PDT by ConservativeDude
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To: refermech

I’m so sorry to hear that. I love NM, so many things about it to love. But the nutty environmentalists is not one of them. :(


59 posted on 08/18/2019 4:06:38 PM PDT by ConservativeDude
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To: Stosh

Does anyone think those giant wind farms are attractive?


60 posted on 08/18/2019 4:23:15 PM PDT by saminfl
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