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Renewable Energy Hits the Wall
American Thinker ^ | August 17, 2019 | Norman Rogers

Posted on 08/17/2019 7:13:58 AM PDT by george76

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1 posted on 08/17/2019 7:13:58 AM PDT by george76
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Democrats are evil.


2 posted on 08/17/2019 7:15:48 AM PDT by stinkerpot65 (Global warming is a Marxist lie.)
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https://amp.ft.com/content/8b738eac-c024-11e9-89e2-41e555e96722?__twitter_impression=true

National Grid’s preliminary investigation into the blackout that caused widespread disruption in England and Wales last week has raised the possibility that it was caused by the world’s largest offshore wind farm accidentally going offline.

The provisional report, which was submitted to regulators on Friday, suggests for the first time that the Hornsea offshore wind farm, which is owned and run by Denmark’s Orsted, may have tripped offline seconds before an outage at a smaller, gas-fired station.


3 posted on 08/17/2019 7:16:20 AM PDT by ameribbean expat (Socialism is like a nude beach - - sounds great til you actually get there. -- David Burge.)
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Nuclear is renewable. Just supernova a star every few billion years or so. :)

That being said, with safety accountability firmly ensconced, nuclear is an excellent option.


4 posted on 08/17/2019 7:21:49 AM PDT by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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Renewable Energy is unreliable, inefficient and wastes resources and money.
Yep. Suspected that for some time.

5 posted on 08/17/2019 7:27:07 AM PDT by BitWielder1 (I'd rather have Unequal Wealth than Equal Poverty.)
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To: P.O.E.

Hydroelectric is a storage device, not a power source.

The source is solar energy.

What environmentalists have a problem with is cheap energy for their human livestock so that can live free and independent of them.


6 posted on 08/17/2019 7:28:28 AM PDT by seowulf
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As an non tech guy who reads a lot, the energy problem with renewables won’t be solved until the energy is safely, economically and efficiently stored.

We are not there yet.


7 posted on 08/17/2019 7:32:01 AM PDT by RedMonqey (num)
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I was involved in nuclear construction back in the day. It was killed by a thousand cuts made by whining antinuc cutters. They must not live through the next round.

I have come to believe that the future in America is the develpoment of small and relative simple power genetating units rather than a few humongous widely spaced units.


8 posted on 08/17/2019 7:33:10 AM PDT by bert ( (KE. NP. N.btyC. +12) Progressives are existential American enemies)
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Clearly, wind and solar will be a viable replacement for fossil fueled generation after energy storage gets less expensive and the total cost per Mwh comes down.

That time is not quite here yet but advances are being made rapidly each year.

Once that happens the changeover to safe, non CO2 emitting generation is just a matter of time.


9 posted on 08/17/2019 7:38:48 AM PDT by Helotes
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Is that true? I thought the released water flows through a turbine and spins it and generates electricity?

Sounds like I have misunderstood hydroelectric? Can you point me towards resources to better understand that?


10 posted on 08/17/2019 7:38:55 AM PDT by ConservativeDude
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Actually, other than geothermal and nuclear, pretty much every energy source works its way back to solar (and that includes wind).


11 posted on 08/17/2019 7:41:46 AM PDT by Stosh
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All sources of energy are renewable, it just takes a hell of a long time to renew oil and gas.


12 posted on 08/17/2019 7:45:39 AM PDT by bigbob (Trust Trump. Trust the Plan.)
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It’s all about the batteries....


13 posted on 08/17/2019 7:47:40 AM PDT by ConservativeDude
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$2 per MCF of natural gas is what is killing all of these. Adjusted for inflation, this is about the lowest price ever recorded. Natural gas is quite abundant and will continue to be.


14 posted on 08/17/2019 7:48:49 AM PDT by crusty old prospector
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I can: https://pmm.nasa.gov/education/water-cycle

A hydroelectric plant consists of a generator connected to an energy storage device even though it may be called, for instance, “Lake Mead”. Without sufficient rain and snowmelt, there’s nothing to go through the turbines. Energy from the sun drives the water cycle.


15 posted on 08/17/2019 7:52:04 AM PDT by bigbob (Trust Trump. Trust the Plan.)
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To: seowulf; ConservativeDude

Hydroelectric generation is actually a form of solar power attributed to the water cycle. Other than very minimal amounts of steam released into the atmosphere from geothermal and nuclear reaction, all rain that falls is due to the suns thermal effects.


16 posted on 08/17/2019 7:53:58 AM PDT by whodathunkit
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You have to think further back in the cycle. The sun evaporates the ocean water forming the rain in the hills and mountains flowing to the rivers. The water behind the dams is the energy storage. So it is renewable in the long run.


17 posted on 08/17/2019 7:57:32 AM PDT by Sicvee (Sicvee)
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“It’s all about the batteries....”

Yes, but the day is coming when renewables will work 24/7 for days or even weeks if needed. Then we will finally have a clean, reliable, economic answer. Our capitalist system will find it because the money is right.

Utility scale or distributed storage will be the answer which we need.


18 posted on 08/17/2019 8:00:22 AM PDT by Helotes
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The upcoming California Solar crash will be similar to the stupid program they did for solar water and Water Heating Heat Pumps in the 80’s.

I would be surprised if 1% remain in use.
I made lotsa money for years as customers had to pay to decommission those useless systems.

The current solar panel crazzzz.... only exists because of wanna be greenies, tax deductions and predatory marketing by companies who are mostly inept mechanics and of course by legislators who are ignorant, Green brainwashed or filling their pockets from lobbyists.

These systems WILL ALL WEAR OUT over time.

Most parts are not interchangeable so repairs will be costly.

Few techs truly understand these systems as they are made to just drop in place by low skilled installers (different when needing to trouble shoot and repair)

There are so many brands, types etc that have already gone out of business .... good luck getting parts especially in California where warehouses have to pay inventory tax ! Why keep anything in stock?

The electric companies and greenies have been lulled into believing these systems are back filling power needs when if fact, when these systems begin to crash there will have been no pre planning to face the darkness.

Instead of building other traditional generation right now we will be years behind when this crashes. Yeah I understand power companies don’t wanna own transmission lines anymore. They just want to send out bills and have us subsidize their public relations messages and junk mail.

There are already safety issues with these systems and how they are tied to the grid. Just wait. High voltage electricity is Not Safe especially on the roofs of the typical California voter.

The Stupidity in thinking these 10’s of 1000’s of systems installed have reduced carbon footprint or other buzz-wordy nonsense will be fulfilled when they are eventually dismantled at great cost.

Land fill trash for these panels and components ? No this will be some expensive garbage even after dismantling expenses.

Silliest of all is these systems are owned by people who know Nothing about them high voltage systems that are atrophying on their roofs.
Few even know how to get on their roof. Good thing.

This coming problem is not on anyone’s radar except a few mechanical people who know better..... after all ... right now there’s money to be made continuing these stupid policies and plenty of roofs still waiting to have holes poked in them.

Go Green California ? Nope, going down Brown.


19 posted on 08/17/2019 8:00:34 AM PDT by jcon40 (The other post before yours really nails it for me. I have been a DOithS / PC guy forever and alway)
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To: Stosh
Actually, other than geothermal and nuclear, pretty much every energy source works its way back to solar (and that includes wind).

True. We're all just a small part of the solar system, and when the sun finally goes out, we're all doomed.

20 posted on 08/17/2019 8:05:39 AM PDT by seowulf
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