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I think this has gone way too far already and the Supreme Court or indeed any high courts should step in and resume adult supervision. People running businesses or managing public facilities should be free to use their best judgement about trans-gender issues. Sure, people have some limited right to declare their gender as they see fit, but I think there is a stronger countervailing right to public decency and predictable social behavior. Most of us would probably agree that in borderline cases, gender should be determined by sexual characteristics, testosterone levels, and commonly perceived details like body type, voice, mannerisms etc.

Rather than pushing the limits in the direction of unsupportable transgender behavior the law should be pushing back on the side of an orderly and morally uncompromised civil order. The analogy would be in terms of assault, if the law concentrated on enabling what people felt like doing (assaulting other people), and not on protecting people from being assaulted, then that part of the law would have degenerated like this part seems to be doing.

Business owners should have rights to manage their business as they see fit. All of this interference from the state is fundamentally opposed to the concept of liberty, and as for pursuit of happiness, that cannot be just a one-way street for transgendered individuals, at the expense of the happiness of others (I think the founders used the term happiness more as contentment than a big smiley face).

Common sense law will follow the election of common sense politicians and the appointment of common sense judges.

As for lawyers, that might be a bridge too far.


4 posted on 07/30/2019 11:57:24 PM PDT by Peter ODonnell (Take the next train to Marxville and I'll meet you at the camp)
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To: Peter ODonnell
The good new's if you will, Between 1803 and 2018, the United States Supreme Court ruled 172 federal laws passed by Congress are unconstitutional.

The bad new's the same United States Supreme Court ruled in Dred Scott v. Sandford, 60 U.S. (19 How.) 393 (1857), was a landmark decision of the U.S. Supreme Court in which the Court held that the U.S. Constitution was not meant to include American citizenship for black people, regardless of whether they were enslaved or free, and therefore the rights and privileges it confers upon American citizens could not apply to them.

8 posted on 07/31/2019 12:30:58 AM PDT by Stanwood_Dave ("Testilying." Cop's lie, only while testifying, as taught in their respected Police Academy(s).)
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To: Peter ODonnell
Five years ago, after gay marriage, I said that now that the issue had been settled, next they were going to come after "Male and female He made them". Everybody I talked to said I was a nutcase, and that the very idea was ridiculous. I should stop being paranoid.

That was only five years ago.

So, now that this issue is being settled, what will they come for next?

I predict it will be "It were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones."

Everybody I talk to says I am a nutcase, and that the very idea is ridiculous. I should stop being paranoid.

13 posted on 07/31/2019 1:25:56 AM PDT by Haiku Guy (If you have a right / To the service I provide / I must be your slave)
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To: Peter ODonnell
People running businesses or managing public facilities should be free to use their best judgement about trans-gender issues.

About any issues actually. ALL anti-discrimination law that applies to private individuals is a violation of the first amendment. It forces us to assemble with those we may choose to not assemble with.

Sure, people have some limited right to declare their gender as they see fit,

The problem with this statement is the assumption that people have "gender". They do not. Human beings have sex. and sex is determined by genetics (XX or XY, Female or male)

Someone declaring themselves to be a Buick is 100% as accurate as man declaring himself to have a female gender.

We need to retake the language and demand that things be labelled as they are, not as some liberal whack job wants them to be.

39 posted on 07/31/2019 7:45:07 AM PDT by John O (God Save America (Please))
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