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U.S. Field artillery back to learning manual methods after Russian intervention in Ukraine
Defence Blog ^ | Jul 18, 2019 | Army, News

Posted on 07/18/2019 4:22:09 AM PDT by tlozo

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1 posted on 07/18/2019 4:22:09 AM PDT by tlozo
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Pathetic, just pathetic to have abandoned “manual methods”. Imagine someone needing artillery support in a very bad way and their devices don’t work, or worse yet, have been hacked so fire is directed onto our own troops.

Maybe the navy best learn what a compass, sextant and navigation maps are good for too.


2 posted on 07/18/2019 4:28:30 AM PDT by redfreedom ( Setteled Science = Irrevocable Unmitigated Lie)
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To: tlozo

Great idea,glad to see it back.


3 posted on 07/18/2019 4:31:25 AM PDT by Cannon6
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To: redfreedom

Kind of like abandoning simple math as the calculator does it easier.


4 posted on 07/18/2019 4:33:44 AM PDT by tired&retired (Blessings)
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To: tlozo

Aye, sir. The more they overthink the plumbing, the easier it is to stop up the drain. [hands McCoy a fistful of computer chips] Here, Doctor, souvenirs from one surgeon to another. I took them out of her main transwarp computer drive.

Montgomery Scott Star Trek 3


5 posted on 07/18/2019 4:34:20 AM PDT by Vaquero ( Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: redfreedom
Yes.....and the Army hopefully goes back to the good old land navigation systems with map and lensatic compass.

Now maybe Walmart and other retailers need to leach cashiers how to count change the old fashioned way.

6 posted on 07/18/2019 4:34:30 AM PDT by mosaicwolf
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To: tlozo

This reads as if the US Army had units in Ukraine fighting their dirty war for them.

... did we?


7 posted on 07/18/2019 4:36:19 AM PDT by thoughtomator (The Clinton Coup attempt was a worse attack on the USA than was 9/11)
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I recall reading where the KGB oh, I think that’s what they still call themselves, I have gone to manual typewriters at their headquarters to increase security of administrative functions.

I wonder if the US military or the US Uniformed Services have maintained their proficiencies in MF and HF Communications, Morse code (CW) is gone by the wayside but plenty of Old Timers l still know how to use it, CW might not be fast and it might not be efficient but when all else fails it is the mode that is going to keep Communications intact. I wonder if CW is going to make a comeback as well?

I wonder if the Navy and the Coast Guard still know how to navigate with a sextant? I don’t think they teach it anymore in fact, I think they might have all gone to electronic charting.


8 posted on 07/18/2019 4:36:23 AM PDT by Clutch Martin (The trouble ain't that there is too many fools, but that the lightning ain't distributed right.)
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To: tlozo
they might think about teaching Morris Code again too...
9 posted on 07/18/2019 4:40:09 AM PDT by Chode (Send bachelors, and come heavily armed!)
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To: redfreedom
Pathetic, just pathetic to have abandoned “manual methods”. Imagine someone needing artillery support in a very bad way and their devices don’t work, or worse yet, have been hacked so fire is directed onto our own troops.

Based on my contract work with the Air Force, it won't be long before in order to fire a weapon you'll have to insert your CAC card and log on to the device, hoping all the while that the all-eggs-in-one-basket network is still available, or that your card hasn't been locked, requiring a trip to the MTF to get it unlocked. Of course I'm being sarcastic ... but only a little.

10 posted on 07/18/2019 4:41:12 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham ("God is a spirit, and man His means of walking on the earth.")
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To: tlozo

One big benefit of being proficient in working without the computer, is being able to say “Hey, wait a minute” when the computer starts giving you bad answers.

There WILL come a day when we discover that foreign made components (or US made components designed by people not loyal to us) have a “remote trigger glitch”. As in the pilot episode of Battlestar Galactica.


11 posted on 07/18/2019 4:42:00 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (Socialists want YOUR wealth redistributed, never THEIRS!)
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To: thoughtomator

Maybe they are just paying attention to what the Russians were doing in the Ukraine.


12 posted on 07/18/2019 4:43:10 AM PDT by USNBandit (Sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: tlozo

No school like the old school.


13 posted on 07/18/2019 4:49:17 AM PDT by ealgeone
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I just wonder without GPS how they will position the battery? Our exercises were kind of phony since the survey crew went out and found the position and gave us precise grid numbers, but I just don’t see it happening under fire.


14 posted on 07/18/2019 4:50:20 AM PDT by junta ("Peace is a racket", testimony from crime boss Barrack Hussein Obama.)
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To: Vaquero

“They are also better prepared when electronic warfare takes the AFATADS system offline, he said”

Notice he said “when”, not “if”.

L


15 posted on 07/18/2019 4:51:34 AM PDT by Lurker (Peaceful coexistence with the Left is not possible. Stop pretending that it is.)
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To: tlozo

The navy should take heed and remove the plugs from the 16” guns on those old battleships and get them seaworthy again. You never know when dumb technology is going to be needed again.


16 posted on 07/18/2019 4:51:40 AM PDT by Sgt_Schultze (When your business model depends on slave labor, you're always going to need more slaves.)
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To: mosaicwolf
actually, Walmart is going to self check out in a big way.

Most customers do not fool around with counting money and the nuisance of change

17 posted on 07/18/2019 4:55:34 AM PDT by bert ( (KE. NP. N.C. +12)There were Democrat espionage operations on Republican candidates)
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To: SauronOfMordor

“If you don’t understand the chart, you won’t actually understand what the automated system is doing for you.”


sane with the slide rule, statistics, lawyers, real estate agents.

Very few people understand the basics anymore. But they have a number

Maybe the surprising thing is the artillery still has a manual option.


18 posted on 07/18/2019 4:57:11 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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To: SauronOfMordor

One big benefit of being proficient in working without the computer, is being able to say “Hey, wait a minute” when the computer starts giving you bad answers.


I have GPS in my car. I also have paper maps. Before traveling to a place I am not familiar with, I will check the paper map first and get an idea of the best route.

GPS are useful but I will not risk my life on them.


19 posted on 07/18/2019 4:58:32 AM PDT by CIB-173RDABN (I am not an expert in anything, and my opinion is just that, an opinion. I may be wrong.)
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To: junta

Do infantry and armor leaders carry printed maps these days? Does the DOD even print maps anymore?


20 posted on 07/18/2019 4:58:54 AM PDT by Stingray51
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