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Cruz adds context after Kaepernick quotes from Frederick Douglass ‘4th of July’ speech
Fox News ^ | 5 July 2019 | Dom Calicchio

Posted on 07/05/2019 5:12:48 AM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

After reading this much, I have a much greater appreciation for Frederick Douglas. Another great American!


21 posted on 07/05/2019 5:48:21 AM PDT by Missouri gal
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To: FrdmLvr
One of the things I’ve noticed is that over the years we have heard less and less about Frederick Douglass as one of the iconic black figures in American history. You hardly ever hear his name even during “Black History Month.”

The reason for this is obvious. His life story was a remarkable one of a great, self-made man ... which makes him an embarrassment to the stunted misfits who are held up as black leaders in the U.S. today.

22 posted on 07/05/2019 5:49:44 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Knowledge makes a man unfit to be a slave." -- Frederick Douglass)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

“It has changed.”

The Leftists will NEVER admit to that! You can’t make any money off of ‘progress’ in any form. ;)


23 posted on 07/05/2019 5:50:03 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (We come from the earth, we return to the earth, and in between we garden.~Alfred Austin)
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To: BilLies

“For the record, the all White Union army during July 1, 2, & 3 of 1863 at Gettysburg incurred 5,291 KIA and mortally wounded casualties. They carried out the expressed policies of their government to end slavery, a government they elected three years before they died.”

The idea that the Union was “fighting to free the slaves” was controversial then, and remains so.

There is evidence - in the form of statements by both northerners and southerners at the time - that Lincoln was intent on using the military to overthrow the pro-slavery United States Constitution.

Maybe he did.


24 posted on 07/05/2019 5:52:23 AM PDT by jeffersondem
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Nobody can be this stupid. Piss away millions of dollars and fame to support a leftist cause the majority doesn’t believe in.


25 posted on 07/05/2019 5:55:52 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Isn't it funny that the very people who scream "My body, my choice" wants a say in your healthcare?)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Are we supposed to believe that Kaepernick produced this quote and video montage himself?


26 posted on 07/05/2019 5:57:34 AM PDT by Shethink13 (there are 0 electoral votes in the state of denial)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Everybody has asked the question, and they learned to ask it early of the abolitionists, “What shall we do with the Negro?” I have had but one answer from the beginning. Do nothing with us! Your doing with us has already played the mischief with us. Do nothing with us! If the apples will not remain on the tree of their own strength, if they are wormeaten at the core, if they are early ripe and disposed to fall, let them fall! I am not for tying or fastening them on the tree in any way, except by nature’s plan, and if they will not stay there, let them fall. And if the Negro cannot stand on his own legs, let him fall also. All I ask is, give him a chance to stand on his own legs! Let him alone! If you see him on his way to school, let him alone, don’t disturb him! If you see him going to the dinner table at a hotel, let him go! If you see him going to the ballot- box, let him alone, don’t disturb him! [Applause.] If you see him going into a work-shop, just let him alone,—your interference is doing him a positive injury. - F. Douglas, from “What the Black Man Wants”

Seems to me, if Mr Douglas were alive today, he would be appalled at the lost opportunity. He would see these inner city thugs as the worm-eaten rotten to the core apples who fell from the trees. I think he’d kick them to them to the curb instead of using them for agitprop as our politicians do.


27 posted on 07/05/2019 6:00:53 AM PDT by Mathews (Ecclesiastes 10:2 (NIV), Luke 22:36 (NIV))
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

That meme has been proven false in so many different ways.

Do try to keep up ...


28 posted on 07/05/2019 6:04:17 AM PDT by ByteMercenary (Healthcare Insurance is *NOT* a Constitutional right.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Douglass judged America as a nation on the wording of her founding documents NOT on how flawed men applied them. Democrats do the opposite. They judge America as flawed and want to kill her. So far they are winning...


29 posted on 07/05/2019 6:08:19 AM PDT by TalBlack (Damn right I'll "do something" you fat, balding son of a bitch!)
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To: 21twelve

but Cruz is no slouch.
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He could yet be a great Senator for Texas, if he keeps his mind on that.
He is not a natural born citizen.


30 posted on 07/05/2019 6:19:44 AM PDT by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizen Means Born Here Of Citizen Parents_Know Islam, No Peace-No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: ByteMercenary
That meme has been proven false in so many different ways.

Yes, I know.

31 posted on 07/05/2019 6:21:07 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham ("God is a spirit, and man His means of walking on the earth.")
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Kapernick wouldn’t know Frederick Douglass from French toast. Someone is running him like a puppet. Some might say he’s slaved to a controller.


32 posted on 07/05/2019 6:22:02 AM PDT by Flick Lives (MSM, the Enemy of the People since 1898)
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To: Mathews

Interesting. I need to find my son’s “argumentative” paper that he wrote back in high school. It was about why the abolition of slavery was a bad idea.

He has always been an over-achiever, and figured that would be the most difficult position to take. Of course he researched it - and made a compelling argument. I proof-read it for him those many years ago and was pretty amazed. He made lots of interesting points.

(I did tell him to try to add in some lines about how “of course slavery was wrong, but....”)

IIRC, is conclusion was that that slavery would have died a natural death in time, which would have been better in the long term than the forced termination of slavery.

(He did get an “A” on the paper.)


33 posted on 07/05/2019 6:25:33 AM PDT by 21twelve (!)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Two black men I would put into the Founding Father category would be Booker T Washington and Frederick Douglass. Frederick douglass’s speech from that day is one of the most hard-hitting fantastic eloquent speeches I’ve ever read. Kaepernick probably didn’t even know who Frederick Douglass was. I invite my freeper friends out there if you have not read this speech be brave and read the whole thing ...it is worth every word and it is also a good thing when we are very informed when the enemy comes after us. Most liberals have not read it I guarantee that.


34 posted on 07/05/2019 6:27:41 AM PDT by CincyRichieRich (Vote for President Trump in 2020 or end up equally miserable, no rights, and eating zoo animals)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Ted knows that the truth to Socialists/Liberals/Communists does not matter so what he posted is of no use because the truth is what the party says it is at the moment.


35 posted on 07/05/2019 6:38:10 AM PDT by devane617 (Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right.~ George Orwell, 1984)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin; momincombatboots; BenLurkin; Alberta's Child; 21twelve; BilLies; Nifster; ...

Thank you for posting that link, MeneMeneTekelUpharsin.

I have never read that entire speech before, and like most Americans, I have only seen bits of it taken out of context, often used as that contemptible stain Kaepernick and his ilk did, to make political points on the ignorant.

The overarching irony is that many blacks are being kept on a modern form of a slave plantation, often willingly, by the same type of people Douglass takes the time to pillory in scathing fashion in his oration.

The same type of people who profess the same type of sentiments (however implausible and in different and more modern ways) that they use on the Left to justify their actions that only result in the black community being kept in chattel to The State instead of in slavery to their Fellow Man.

Today, those same types of people are often aided and abetted by their fellow blacks. People today like Barack Obama, Al Sharpton, Jessie Jackson, and Colin Kaepernick, who would sell their fellow blacks out to gain currency both real (in the form of Nike contracts or Rainbow Coalition kickbacks) or power in the form of virtue-signaled celebrity or election to public office.

Aided and abetted in the same way the merchants in the “internal slave trade” were aided and abetted by their fellow black brethren in 1852 who helped hunt down and imprison escaped slaves, or ironically, aided and abetted by those distant relatives of Barack Obama who helped hunt down, capture, and enslave free African blacks in the service of slave merchants at an earlier date when there was an accepted international slave trade. And done so for a piece of silver.

Today, it is done for both silver AND power, both of which for many amount to the same thing. And it is contributed to by many in the black (and non-black) communities who embrace a poisonous version of black culture that glorifies disdain for personal responsibility, knowledge, education, misogyny, drug use, and violence.

That oration by Stephen Douglass was a powerful speech, and in context, true with scathing denunciation of the hypocrisy of our Republic in its present state in the year 1852. It is sad to see his accurate references to the hypocrisy of the Fugitive Slave Act, and chilling to see his prescient and accurate vision of the horrible and bloody war that was then less than 10 years away.

But it is also true that his criticism is as trenchant today and should be (but is not) directed towards the like of the Left who believe that blacks are not qualified to rise on their own abilities and merits, and can only do so with the power of the state applied, a poisonous and corrosive belief system that potentially destroys not only seeks to tear down those (such as conservatives) who oppose that mindset, but those who embrace it.

It is unsettling to see Douglass’s unformed vision of the terrible yet unavoidable conflict looming less than ten years in their future in 1852, and wonder if those of us who see a coming storm are unknowingly destined to see the same bloody thing in that same time frame.


36 posted on 07/05/2019 6:38:16 AM PDT by rlmorel (Trump to China: This Capitalist Will Not Sell You the Rope with Which You Will Hang Us.)
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To: Mathews
Frederick Douglass personified everything that made this country great. Born a slave, he was fortunate enough to work in the household of his slave master at the age of 10. He engaged the help of some poor white boys who lived on a neighboring farm to help him learn how to read. He pilfered food from the household pantry and gave it to them in exchange for reading lessons.

One of the turning points in his life after he escaped from slavery was the day he began working in a Massachusetts shipyard. This experience made him understand how dysfunctional and destructive slavery was even for the slave owners. He realized that he -- a lowly laborer working in a shipyard -- actually had a better standard of living than his former slave masters in Maryland. This made him understand the importance of business and industry in America even for blacks, and made him more respectful of this country's institutions and founders than he had been before.

This guy was an intelligent, self-made man ... the epitome of an iconic figure in American history.

37 posted on 07/05/2019 7:30:32 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Knowledge makes a man unfit to be a slave." -- Frederick Douglass)
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To: Lurkinanloomin

Would you rather have Cruz or Kavenaugh as scotus?


38 posted on 07/05/2019 7:44:10 AM PDT by TiGuy22
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To: TiGuy22

I’d rather have some one who knows what natural born citizen means.


39 posted on 07/05/2019 7:50:51 AM PDT by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizen Means Born Here Of Citizen Parents_Know Islam, No Peace-No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

A photo of Fredrick Douglas would be a most appropriate addition in this posting


40 posted on 07/05/2019 10:30:55 AM PDT by mosesdapoet (mosesdapoet aka L,J,Keslin posting for the record hoping some might read and pass around)
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