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F-15EX vs. F-35A
Air Force Magazine ^ | May 2019 | JOHN A. TIRPAK

Posted on 05/10/2019 8:11:52 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki

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1 posted on 05/10/2019 8:11:52 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: KC_Lion; Jet Jaguar

USAF Ping.


2 posted on 05/10/2019 8:12:58 AM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Don’t mess with my pension funding now. LM needs to provide for me. LOL!


3 posted on 05/10/2019 8:18:56 AM PDT by rktman ( #My2ndAmend! ----- Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
While behind schedule, the program has been a top Air Force priority for more than a decade and until recently

Anyone familiar with the DOD acquisition process would recognize cause and effect here. Top priority means all kinds of bureaucratic attention that contributes nothing to completing a successful engineering program but ensures that nothing will be delivered until the bureaucracy has rung out every possible dime they can from the program to grow and feed the bureaucracy.

It's the way we do things here in the swamp. And the exponential growth of the swamp bureaucracy continues apace, unimpeded by anything.

4 posted on 05/10/2019 8:31:55 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: sukhoi-30mki

The F-15EX is a bridge to when the F-35’s get all the bugs worked out. Then they can be sold to 3rd world AF’s................


5 posted on 05/10/2019 8:49:33 AM PDT by Red Badger (We are headed for a Civil War. It won't be nice like the last one....................)
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To: rktman

Eglin just got approved for another F-35 Wing................


6 posted on 05/10/2019 8:50:25 AM PDT by Red Badger (We are headed for a Civil War. It won't be nice like the last one....................)
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To: Red Badger
Whew. My pension is safe for a couple more months then. 👹👍🏼💸
7 posted on 05/10/2019 8:54:09 AM PDT by rktman ( #My2ndAmend! ----- Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?)
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Right behind you Brother. 3.5 years away.


8 posted on 05/10/2019 8:55:03 AM PDT by southernerwithanattitude (New and Improved Redneck!)
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Dont worry we are pumping out C-130s like crazy!


9 posted on 05/10/2019 8:57:08 AM PDT by southernerwithanattitude (New and Improved Redneck!)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Apples vs. Oranges: How They Compare.


10 posted on 05/10/2019 9:09:14 AM PDT by Yo-Yo ( is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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The F-15EX is a bridge to when the F-35’s get all the bugs worked out.

Lockheed has delivered over 200 F-35A's to the USAF. They do not need a bridge. The F-35EX will be a bomb truck, carrying a heavier load than the F-35A can.

The USAF will take decades to overcome cancelling the F-22 for air superiority.

11 posted on 05/10/2019 9:16:05 AM PDT by IndispensableDestiny
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To: southernerwithanattitude
Thanks! Been on the plan for coming up on 8 years now. Woo Hoo! Thirty six years on shuttle. 👍🏼💸😹
12 posted on 05/10/2019 9:16:35 AM PDT by rktman ( #My2ndAmend! ----- Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?)
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To: Red Badger
The F-15EX is a bridge to when the F-35’s get all the bugs worked out. Then they can be sold to 3rd world AF’s................

The F-15EX is a gift to Boeing to keep the F-15 production line open a few more years from former Boeing executive, the acting Defense Secretary and now Defense Secretary nominee Patrick Shanahan.

The money should be used to update the existing F-15C fleet with AESA radar, as was originally planned for when the F-22 buy was curtailed to 187 airframes.

13 posted on 05/10/2019 9:19:59 AM PDT by Yo-Yo ( is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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Go look at the age of the F-15C fleet and check out the increasing number of airframe failures we’re having with them.

Also, the AESA radar is less of an issue today - in the modern battlefield against a peer, near-peer or well equipped by either opponent, you radiate you die.


14 posted on 05/10/2019 9:37:09 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
"comparable to the F-16, at about $20,000 per hour"

I did not know it cost that much to fly these fighters. What's included in that cost besides fuel?
15 posted on 05/10/2019 9:44:50 AM PDT by jaydubya2
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Go look at the age of the F-15C fleet and check out the increasing number of airframe failures we’re having with them.

The Air Force identified 176 F-15Cs with low enough airframe hours to justify upgrading them to "Golden Eagle" standard. The Air Force only funded 42.

Also, the AESA radar is less of an issue today - in the modern battlefield against a peer, near-peer or well equipped by either opponent, you radiate you die.

That makes an AESA radar even more important today. The F-22 and F-35 both have AESA radar, and it is used not only for scan and track, but it is also used as an active jamming emitter that can be shaped into a very narrow beam to only jam the target but not give away its position to off-boresight receivers.

The F-15EX would have the same AESA radar. There is no need to purchase new build F-15EX aircraft when we have plenty of F-15Cs with low enough hours to fly for another decade, or to upgrade with a SLEP at a far lower cost than a new build aircraft.

Again, this is a bone thrown to Boeing from a former Boeing executive.

16 posted on 05/10/2019 10:02:23 AM PDT by Yo-Yo ( is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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I did not know it cost that much to fly these fighters. What's included in that cost besides fuel?

That $20,000 number is the Operational and Maintenance cost per hour, and includes all costs associated with supporting a fighter wing, including all of the base services.

Costs include direct flying costs, maintenance personnel, hangers, runways, simulators, barracks to house the maintenance troops, and the bowling alley to keep them entertained during off-duty hours.

The direct Cost per Flying Hour, which includes three commodity groups: Consumable Supplies, Aviation Fuel, and Depot Level Repairables, is about $8,000 per flying hour.

17 posted on 05/10/2019 10:15:19 AM PDT by Yo-Yo ( is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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Oops, forgot the citation. This is a Thesis paper written by a Captain going through the Air Force War College:

https://apps.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a436138.pdf

18 posted on 05/10/2019 10:17:35 AM PDT by Yo-Yo ( is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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Thanks, that makes sense. I realize these high performance aircraft need a lot of attention, but the $20,000/hour price seemed a bit steep. I used to work as a volunteer at an aviation museum and the owner had a P-51. He told me consumable and maintenance costs were about $1500/hour for the Mustang.
19 posted on 05/10/2019 10:20:31 AM PDT by jaydubya2
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To: Yo-Yo

Three words: Home On Jam. Yes, that works against even the narrow beam produced by AESA - as demonstrated by our own late mark AIM-120s which do work against AESA in narrow beam jam mode.

You radiate, you die.

IIRC, there are also reports that some of the Golden Eagles are suffering from airframe problems now.


20 posted on 05/10/2019 11:00:03 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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