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Only rebellion will prevent an ecological apocalypse
The Guardian ^ | Mon 15 Apr 2019 | George Monbiot

Posted on 04/15/2019 6:20:20 AM PDT by artichokegrower

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To: artichokegrower

“The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.”

H.L. Mencken


21 posted on 04/15/2019 6:56:55 AM PDT by Walrus (Homosexuality is WRONG. End of case.)
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How much time and energy does it take to bind carbon to a stable state? Taking that carbon from deep underground, converting it and spewing it into the atmosphere can’t be good. The question is, how bad is it? The earth is an incredibly complex and balanced energy system and we really have no definite idea of how much it would take to throw it out of kilter — there are scientists who would say otherwise, that we do know, but I think they’re taking an agenda-driven worst-case scenario and bullhorning it to drown out any other thought.

Long-term, the sun is a essentially a massive nuclear reactor that is conveniently 92 million miles away, and that should be our primary source of energy. I see wind (as an energy source) as overly invasive and severely damaging to most ecosystems that it can be placed in, and nowhere near efficient enough. The technology will get there on solar, and society will gradually adjust off of fossil fuel and onto solar. Maybe not fast enough, I doubt any of us will be alive to see the day.

People who want to radically annihilate society as we know it, which is what they mean when they seek to ban fossil fuel within a very short time, are functioning primarily on an anti-human wavelength; they’ve elevated ecological and environmental concerns, the purity of the earth, to such a level level that they hate humans because they see humans a blaspheming the purity of the earth. It’s a very primitive mindset. The number of humans alive on earth could be compressed to a very small area. The issue is distribution and conspicuous consumption, but these radicals would rather lash out and destroy something tangible, enemy humans.

From a conservative perspective it is difficult and problematic to find a way to address the distribution and consumption angle while staying true to individual freedom. By the time the market addresses the issue of energy and makes the jump to renewable it may be too late to save personal freedom, but there is no other path I can think of from the right.. I really hope I don’t live to see THAT day.

22 posted on 04/15/2019 6:57:12 AM PDT by TheDandyMan
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To: artichokegrower

Oh no, Gaia save us...! /S


23 posted on 04/15/2019 6:59:52 AM PDT by ManHunter (You can run, but you'll only die tired... Army snipers: Reach out and touch someone)
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To: artichokegrower

This is understandable when you realize that almost all on the Left are on the schizophrenic spectrum. Their minds harbor delusion. Politics and absurdity is the way they cope with their mental torments.


24 posted on 04/15/2019 7:00:13 AM PDT by allendale (.)
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To: artichokegrower

80% of pollution is generated on behalf of high spend city slicker Democrats. They have the votes in the cities to pass any taxes and regulations they want for 80% of it. And they can riot over it as much as they want to. A riot is a political supernova for generating new Republicans.


25 posted on 04/15/2019 7:04:08 AM PDT by Reeses (A journey of a thousand miles begins with a government pat down.)
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To: Texas Fossil

The author’s name is perfect for what is produced when a moonbat mates with an idiot!


26 posted on 04/15/2019 7:04:50 AM PDT by milagro (There is no peace in appeasement!)
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To: artichokegrower
How would the author pronounce zyr last name?


27 posted on 04/15/2019 7:05:18 AM PDT by outofsalt (If history teaches us anything, it's that history rarely teaches us anything.)
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To: artichokegrower

‘Monbiot’, is that French for Moonbat?


28 posted on 04/15/2019 7:06:29 AM PDT by kanawa (Trump Loves a Great Deal (NorthernSentinel))
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To: mountainlion

you are so right... we, the developed west are the only ones on the planet who have attempted to clean up behind ourselves.
The developing word have no time, money nor infrastructure let alone understanding.

We have over 800 yers of evolution to get to where we are.

The others are trying to follow what the west has done.... without the necessary infrastructure.


29 posted on 04/15/2019 7:06:44 AM PDT by himno hero (had'nff)
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To: artichokegrower

Moonbats will save the planet by telling everyone how bad they are and forcing them to be good.

It’s the new religion, technology is the devil, and suffering is required for purification.


30 posted on 04/15/2019 7:08:37 AM PDT by SaxxonWoods (The internet has driven the world mad.)
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I didn’t know George Moonbat was still around. Too bad.


31 posted on 04/15/2019 7:09:44 AM PDT by RightGeek (FUBO and the donkey you rode in on)
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To: milagro

“Monbiot”

Yes indeed, that is a self describing name that Charles Dickens’ would have made up.


32 posted on 04/15/2019 7:17:40 AM PDT by Texas Fossil ((Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!))
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To: artichokegrower

Well George I got news for you you’re not going to let win a rebellion.


33 posted on 04/15/2019 7:24:07 AM PDT by Federal46 (federal 46)
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To: TheDandyMan; artichokegrower
"Taking that carbon from deep underground, converting it and spewing it into the atmosphere can’t be good."

I would like to see your evidence that this is true.

As far as I know --- and I am open to debate based on facts --- the carbon in the hydrocarbon fuels (coal, gas, and oil) was once ALL in the atmosphere.

Taking a long, simplified, and sweeping view, our planet has huge ages-long carbon cycles in which carbon-rich sediments accumulate on the ocean floors, from whence they are drawn back under the crust in the tectonic plate subduction areas. Over time they convert into coal, gas, and oil.

Then they get extracted and burned, at which time the carbon, as CO2, is beneficially liberated back into the atmosphere. Much of it gets dissolved in seawater. From thence, green plants, on both land and sea, convert CO2 plus sunlight energy, into carbohydrates, other forms of potential energy, and O2.

And repeat.

The only reason we have free O2 in the atmosphere AT ALL, is because green plants absorb yummy, nutritious CO2 like crazy, and continuously release O2 into the atmosphere.

Atmospheric CO2 is now at famine level, a measly 410 ppm or so, way below what is optimal for green plants. You can prove this on a practical sense by noting that at any greenhouse supply store in the world, you can buy CO2 generators to try to boost your hungry plants' atmospheric CO2 up to a much better 1500 ppm --- a nearly fourfold increase --- because that is standard for most plant life.

Back when atmospheric CO2 was over 1500 ppm, that was when the earth had ferns 15 meters tall, permafrost was not tragically locking up 22% of the land in the Northern Hemisphere, there was 100x more species- diversity, and things looked a lot more like Eden.

The CO2 concentration in the atmosphere is now seriously substandard, from the point of biosphere vigor and diversity, at geologic timescales.

It's just fortunate that we have a hydrocarbon-based industrial economy, because we are finally taking our rightful place in the biosphere and liberating that lifegiving CO2 into the air, and giving the Carbon Cycle a robust, much needed, re-invigorating spin.

Hey?

Class, discuss.

34 posted on 04/15/2019 7:35:24 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Just the facts, ma'am, just the facts.)
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To: artichokegrower

Many of these Paltroons have never set foot inside a forest or desert...have never harvested the land, hunted or fished.
They have no understanding of what is involved in good stewardship of the land!


35 posted on 04/15/2019 7:38:05 AM PDT by magyars4
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To: artichokegrower

George needs to find a real job.


36 posted on 04/15/2019 7:46:04 AM PDT by headstamp 2
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To: artichokegrower

The climate hysterics make it sound like all we have to do to avoid “catastrophe” is to change to LED bulbs, buy an electric car and put solar panels on our roofs. In reality to meet their goals would require the shut down of a large majority of the worlds electrical power plants, elimination of fuel oil use and the internal combustion engine. Since we could not replace the lost power with solar and wind, it would send us back to the 1800s. This would result in drastically reduced food production, and the inability to heat homes which would result in hundreds of millions of deaths. Meanwhile I dont see many of our globalist masters selling their oceanside properties or demanding we build hundreds of nuclear power plants.


37 posted on 04/15/2019 7:54:01 AM PDT by Brooklyn Attitude (The first step in ending the war on white people is to recognize it exists.)
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To: artichokegrower

What drivel.

Anyone listen to the Scott Adams periscope/Twitter news deconstructions on weekend mornings?

The Dilbert cartoon author claimed two days ago that Gen 4 nuclear is a perfectly good answer to the climate change “emergency” but no one on the left or in the media dares say so.


38 posted on 04/15/2019 8:18:02 AM PDT by LurkedLongEnough
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Only rebellion and billions of your tax dollars will prevent an ecological apocalypse.

Al Gore. 1986.

39 posted on 04/15/2019 8:18:45 AM PDT by InterceptPoint (Ted, you finally endorsed. A)
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“The peasants are revolting!”
“Yeah, they stink on ice.”


40 posted on 04/15/2019 8:20:07 AM PDT by sparklite2 (Don't mind me. I'm just a contrarian.)
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