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Gov. DeSantis signs smokable medical marijuana bill into law
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Posted on 03/21/2019 8:52:29 AM PDT by Java4Jay

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To: Java4Jay

I notice the same anti-smoking zealots who went crazy on all things related to cigs are silent on mj.

Maybe it’s the same reason libertarians who told me for years that they “might not agree with what I say, but they will defend to the death my right to say it!”, but when the rubber met the road, they were no where to be found.


41 posted on 03/21/2019 12:10:54 PM PDT by MichaelCorleone (Jesus Christ is not a religion. He's the Truth.)
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To: Windflier

Interesting, thank you FRiend :)


42 posted on 03/21/2019 12:25:42 PM PDT by KC_Lion (If you want on First Lady Melania's, Ivanka Trump's or Sarah Palin's Ping Lists, just let me know.)
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To: John S Mosby
There is NO such thing as Clinically Approved US Pharmacopaeia indication for so called “medical” marijuana. Period.

There is substantial evidence of medically beneficial effects. Serfs and sheep may choose to avoid that which is not "Approved".

43 posted on 03/21/2019 1:30:11 PM PDT by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: newzjunkey
It makes no sense to tighten legal limits on alcohol, ban tobacco from indoor spaces

Are those conservative policies?

but welcome marijuana into the public square

I'm OK with requiring that it be done only on the private property of consenting owners.

44 posted on 03/21/2019 1:33:03 PM PDT by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: newzjunkey
That can’t be a legit study. Has to be from an advocacy group. Got a link?

Sorry, I didn't save the link. From what I remember, yes, the data was presented by an advocacy group, but the study they cited was authentic.

I read up on this subject fairly regularly, and will likely run across this study again. I'll make a note to send you the link when I do.

45 posted on 03/21/2019 6:39:38 PM PDT by Windflier (Pitchforks and torches ripen on the vine. Left too long, they become black rifles.)
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To: KC_Lion

I love a governor who does what he says he is going to do!

Happy for the freedom we should have always had.

Not paying the prices they are charging however: $450 an ounce is just not doable for any reason.


46 posted on 03/22/2019 3:14:43 AM PDT by TheStickman (#MAGA all day every day!)
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To: TheStickman
Not paying the prices they are charging however: $450 an ounce is just not doable for any reason.

That's a stoner for you. Not only wants his "freedom" but wants someone else to pay for it.

Maybe in the next welfare bill, right?

47 posted on 03/22/2019 3:23:27 AM PDT by Fightin Whitey
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To: Java4Jay

Two years is a big deal. Good for you. Hang in there. You know it just keeps getting better.


48 posted on 03/22/2019 3:27:23 AM PDT by Fightin Whitey
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To: Windflier

You don’t smoke, do you Windflier?

Are you around people who do?

I haven’t done any studies about cancer, but the daily users I know sound like they are mining coal first thing every morning.


49 posted on 03/22/2019 3:33:13 AM PDT by Fightin Whitey
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To: Fightin Whitey
You don’t smoke, do you Windflier?

Yeah, I do, but I've never had a smoker's hack.

Long story short, I'm a medical anomaly. My body expels nearly all of the tar and nicotine I consume.

50 posted on 03/22/2019 7:00:25 AM PDT by Windflier (Pitchforks and torches ripen on the vine. Left too long, they become black rifles.)
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To: NobleFree

My comments come from professional career including clinical forensic pharmacology, and clinical trial management in Phase I, II and III approval trials. Not casual observation- so will take the time to clear up any misunderstanding.

Q: what does “substantial evidence of medically beneficial effects” mean? Peer reviewed major clinical trials proving efficacy of smoked marijuana in defined studied diseases? Because that is simply false.

There are ZERO clinically peer reviewed placebo controlled blinded trials that smoked pot (that is smoked marijuana/ THC) has clinically significant efficacy in treatment of disease. There are however extensive investigations into the chemical Dronabinol, synthetic THC, which now is sold as trade names Marinol and Syndros, clinically indicated as an Appetite Stimulant, antiemetic, and sleep apnea reliever. It has been investigated in large clinical trials (oral administration, again, not smoked marijuana cigarettes) and is also approved by the FDA, as safe and effective, for HIV/AIDS induced anorexia and chemotherapy induced nausea and vomiting only.

There is, therefore, no such thing as “Medical” marijuana, except as marketing term created for those who are pushing the cultivation of marijuana-a falsely represented political movement being driven by potential tax dollars (for more big government). Backers? That would be— Phillip Morris, RJ Reynolds, Lorillard, British-American Tobacco(BAT) and European consortium- this too, is no longer in doubt- proof is everywhere they are behind this (to make up lost tobacco revenue, for one thing).

Cannabidiol (CBD), on the other hand, does have recent clinical trials which are proving clinical use as non-narcotic pain reliever, receptor mediated, and the production of high purity CBD oil is making its way through approval process for specific indications in that regard for prescription use, and also approved for anti-seizure adjunct therapy in childhood epileptic tumors. CBD currently approved as an over the counter, with no prescriptive indication in that usage.
Production of CBD from non-psychoactive non-THC content cannabis HEMP varietals (and the exciting patented genetic strains developed by Israeli investigators which produce ONLY CBD— zero THC) For oral administration- gel caps and also as aqueous vaping solutions. Not smoked.

So it is true: smoked marijuana has no medical indication in US Pharmacopaeia for either over the counter/casual use or prescription use, due to the primary facts of 1.) no clinically effective true clinical Phase trials for indication, and 2.) the marked concern about the method of administration— inhaled vegetable smoke— more deeply inhaled and with breath held inhalation of raw smoke. In fact, marijuana smoke contains 50–70 percent more carcinogenic hydrocarbons than does tobacco smoke, with resultant increase in incidence and frequency of cancer found in chronic users. There are multiple trials concerning the cancer rates present in chronic marijuana smokers, including statistical separation of pot smokers who also chronically smoked tobacco.

Nothing against hemp variety cannabis and CBD, or the studied Dronabinol/THC oral admin., both of which are effective clinical agents.
Smoked marijuana has none of these “medically beneficial” results. This is the basis of my posted point.


51 posted on 03/22/2019 2:33:14 PM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: Fightin Whitey
Poor fellar. Shouldn't act like you know someone you actually don't. ASSuming seems to fit your writing though. Truth is child, I'm a legal patient who's survived far worse than your projected ignorance can ever hope to understand because of cannabis. I don't need to pay $450 for flower when I can purchase more actual milligrams of thc for just $75? ASSuming sure seems to fit ya well. 👍
52 posted on 03/22/2019 6:15:22 PM PDT by TheStickman (#MAGA all day every day!)
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To: TheStickman

You write like a second-grader, or perhaps—offering a little latitude—the sort of adult who has smoked his brain away.

As you regress down the path of drooling (those Doritos get in the way!) incomprehension you might wish to hire an assistant to polish your dicktation.

Because something is for darned sure interfering with your attempts to communicate.

Good luck ol’ smoke.


53 posted on 03/22/2019 6:36:15 PM PDT by Fightin Whitey
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To: Fightin Whitey

More ASSumptions lol

Have a listen and learn the truth or keep ASSuming you know what you do not lol!

https://www.carnivorecast.com/podcast/brett


54 posted on 03/22/2019 7:03:00 PM PDT by TheStickman (#MAGA all day every day!)
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To: TheStickman

You think and write like a child.

As I say, good luck to you.


55 posted on 03/22/2019 7:33:22 PM PDT by Fightin Whitey
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To: Fightin Whitey

See ya, troll lol!

Hope you get your get over your love affair with ASSumptions one day soon!


56 posted on 03/23/2019 1:59:58 AM PDT by TheStickman (#MAGA all day every day!)
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To: John S Mosby
what does “substantial evidence of medically beneficial effects” mean?

"There is conclusive or substantial evidence that cannabis or cannabinoids are effective:

"For the treatment of chronic pain in adults (cannabis)
"As antiemetics in the treatment of chemotherapy-induced nausea and vomiting (oral cannabinoids)
"For improving patient-reported multiple sclerosis spasticity symptoms (oral cannabinoids)"

National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine. 2017. The Health Effects of Cannabis and Cannabinoids: The Current State of Evidence and Recommendations for Research. Washington, DC: The National Academies Press. doi: 10.17226/24625.

57 posted on 03/23/2019 1:00:41 PM PDT by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: TheStickman
Poor fellar. Shouldn't act like you know someone you actually don't.

Knowing things that just ain't so is the heart of the prohibitionist mentality.

58 posted on 03/23/2019 1:02:46 PM PDT by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: NobleFree
So it would seem. Methinks alcohol might have been involved. 👍🏻
59 posted on 03/23/2019 1:17:49 PM PDT by TheStickman (#MAGA all day every day!)
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To: Java4Jay

One gram lasts me about 3 weeks! Once I thought about buying an ounce on sale but realized most of it would turn to Cannabis dust before I used it.


60 posted on 03/23/2019 2:00:33 PM PDT by steve86 (Prophecies of Maelmhaedhoc O'Morgair (Latin form: Malachy))
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