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Michigan woman had constitutional right to give middle finger to officer, court says
Mlive ^ | March 14, 2019a | Brandon Champion

Posted on 03/14/2019 8:44:20 PM PDT by be-baw

TAYLOR, MI – Flipping the bird can have consequences, but not when it’s directed at law enforcement.

That’s the opinion of a federal appeals court that ruled Wednesday that a Michigan woman's constitutional rights were violated when she was handed a speeding ticket after giving the finger to a suburban Detroit officer in 2017.

According to the Associated Press, the court ruled in a 3-0 decision that Taylor police officer Matthew Minard “should have known better” even if the driver, Debra Cruise-Gulyas, was rude.

Minard stopped Cruise-Gulyas and wrote her a ticket for a lesser violation. But when that stop was over, Cruise-Gulyas raised her middle finger, according to the Associated Press.

Minard pulled her over again in response and changed the ticket to a more serious speeding offense.

Cruise-Gulyas sued, saying her free-speech rights and her rights against unreasonable seizure were violated. The court ruling means her lawsuit will proceed.


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To: af_vet_1981

>>Would that rule hold if a defendant did that to judges ?<<

Contempt of court is a real charge. Contempt of cop dis not. I may not like people that do it but I agree with the ruling.


21 posted on 03/15/2019 4:48:08 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (As always IMHO)
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To: freedumb2003
Contempt of court is a real charge. Contempt of cop dis not. I may not like people that do it but I agree with the ruling.

Why is, or should, contempt of court be a real charge, and not speeding ?

Are not both infractions of the law ?


22 posted on 03/15/2019 4:54:49 AM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began)
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To: af_vet_1981

There are NO Laws, Regulations or Rules (LR&R) for “Contempt of Cop”.
There are, however, multiple LR&R for “Contempt of Court”.
Flip away FReeQs.


23 posted on 03/15/2019 5:34:03 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Catastrophic, Anthropogenic Climate Alterations: The acronym explains the science.)
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To: be-baw

Context, context, context.

Her “finger” came after the encounter ending in her first ticket.

He was leaving, she was leaving, and she expressed her personal disgust. (** Did she have a right to?? I think yes.)

THEN, reacting to the woman’s gesture, the cop stops her and gives her a second ticket for an offense he apparently did not think was appropriate the first time.

No matter how rude the woman was, the cop has probably lost his side of the case due to the second ticket he issued. He might of tried to charge her with some other offense relative to her behavior alone.

Can you imagine some “protest” and cops arresting folks just for rude gestures protesters make at them? I can’t.

Yes, the law says you must “obey” “lawful” orders from police during their official business with you. Upon conclusion of that encounter, your speech is not restricted from expressing your feelings about the police persons involved.


24 posted on 03/15/2019 6:44:47 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: Kickass Conservative
The Civil Society is no more.

The civil society is being destroyed by government, of which police and judges are agents.

25 posted on 03/15/2019 6:47:38 AM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the peopIe to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: af_vet_1981
Would that rule hold if a defendant did that to judges ?

Yes it would, but not in the courtroom.

26 posted on 03/15/2019 9:17:08 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle ( The Great Wall of Trump ---- 100% sealing of the border. Coming soon.)
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