[Jacquerie]

Number 14. Yaaay!

[I want the USA back]

When bammy ruled by executive order they did nothing.

[lurk]

How will this same mechanism not be used by collectivists to bend the constitution into secular totalitarianism?

[Publius]

14: AL, AK, AR, AZ, FL, GA, IN, LA, MO, ND, OK, TN, TX, UT.

For a Convention of the States dedicated to Georgia’s application language, which would re-balance citizens’ rights versus federal power and state power, the count is 14 down, 20 to go.

For a Convention of the States dedicated to a balanced budget amendment only, the count is 30 down, 4 to go.

[kaehurowing]

The danger is the socialists will hijack the convention.

[dp0622]

and $22 billion of national debt..

I wish.

And this convention is needed BADLY.

I just hope they throw something in there about free pizza being an inalienable right :)

Unless it’s Pizza Hut.

[a fool in paradise]

The state that gave us Senator Romney?

[Publius]

This is one of those rare articles where the journalist actually got all the facts straight.

[Publius]

This is the usual pedantic boilerplate that I post to these threads which explains how the process works. It's useful for those first being made aware of this option.

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The amendatory process under Article V consists of three steps: Proposal, Disposal, and Ratification.

Proposal:

There are two ways to propose an amendment to the Constitution.

• The Congressional Method requires the House and Senate to pass an amendment by a two thirds majority.
• The Amendments Convention Method requires the legislatures of two thirds of the states to apply to Congress to call a Convention for Proposing Amendments. Once the two thirds threshold is reached, Congress is required to set a time and place for the convention.

Article V gives Congress and an Amendments Convention exactly the same power to propose amendments, no more and no less.

Disposal:

Once Congress, or an Amendments Convention, proposes amendments, Congress must decide whether the states will ratify by the:

• State Legislature Method, or the
• State Ratifying Convention Method.

The State Ratifying Convention Method has only been used twice: once to ratify the Constitution, and once to ratify the 21st Amendment repealing Prohibition.

Ratification:

Depending upon which ratification method is chosen by Congress, either the state legislatures vote up-or-down on the proposed amendment, or the voters elect a state ratifying convention to vote up-or-down. If three fourths of the states vote to ratify, the amendment becomes part of the Constitution.

Forbidden Subjects:

Article V contains two explicitly forbidden subjects and one implicitly forbidden subject.

Explicitly forbidden:

• No amendment may be added to the Constitution concerning slavery or capitation taxes until 1808. We’re well past that deadline.
• No amendment may be added to the Constitution to change the principle of equal representation in the Senate unless every state deprived of that right approves. If California wants five senators, every state must have five senators. To permit violation of this principle, every state would have to ratify the amendment, not just three fourths.

Implicitly forbidden:

• The Constitution of 1787 may not be abrogated and replaced with a new document. Article V only authorizes “a convention for proposing amendments to this Constitution;” therefore, the Constitution of 1787 is locked in place forever. Congress and an Amendments Convention have exactly the same Proposal power; therefore, neither Congress nor an Amendments Convention can start over. Both bodies can only propose amendments.

Reference works:

Proposing Constitutional Amendments by a Convention of the States: A Handbook for State Lawmakers

State Initiation of Constitutional Amendments: A Guide for Lawyers and Legislative Drafters

[Vaquero]

How do we fix this?

“The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.” -
— Thomas Jefferson

That is how

[ProtectOurFreedom]

Nelson said. “How do we push back against the federal government?”

Honestly, how in the world are more amendments going to get fedzilla under control? Most of the federal government completely ignores the Constitution and amendments we already have.

[2harddrive]

ALL RIGHT!!

[utax]

Lots of stupid bills in Utah this year. A white college girl gets murdered by a big black sex offender/parolee she was dating and we need more anti-gun laws. And additional special protections for homosexuals and the homeless.

[Revel]

This always reminds me of Ronnie James Dio in the song “Heaven and Hell” where he says “FOOL! FOOL!”

Because these people are all fools if they think that this would work out well in a time of Progressives, Socialism, Lawlessness, Rino’s, Godlessness, And on and on. A corrupt generation cannot improve on the work of one that was far less corrupt.

[DesertRhino]

Looking forward to that new constitution with no Second Amendment, severe limits on the First Amendment, Health Care as a right, and then the other treats. You have to be out of your mind to think this would be an improvement. There are no Jefferson’s Madison’s or Adams anywhere to be seen in this process. This new Constitution that a group of states makes today will make the tax code blush out of its simplicity.

[antidemoncrat]

How about a ConCon to set term limits?
How about a ConCon to forbid former members of Congress becoming lobbyists?
How about a ConCon to make illegal immigration illegal?
How about a ConCon to make sanctuary cities and states illegal?
How about a ConCon to reword the 14th amendment to say children of illegal aliens born in the USA are not citizens
How about a ConCon to declare voter harvesting illegal?

[PIF]

“The checks and balances in our Constitution have been stretched and broken,” said Nelson, R-Grantsville. “All three branches are exercising legislative power. The courts are deciding matters of public policy. The executive is issuing executive orders, making law as we speak. And there’s no way to challenge it.”

Number 14. Yaaay!

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Democrats everywhere are cheering too ... because they know they will control the Convention while erstwhile conservatives are busy with jobs and other things ... just like conservatives were too busy to bother with education practices, giving lefties control of the educational process which is now churning out graduates in socialism, global warming, marijuana growing, social justice, gender studies, and other worthless educational pursuits, but are all good Democrat voters - which is of course the ultimate point.

So the Convention will end up in the same kettle, while conservative whine, moan and groan, finally going along to get along.

Worst Idea ever.

[nesnah]

Repeal the 17th is all that will be required to fix things.

Perhaps an Amendment restricting campaign financing for any elected office to those that actually are permanently residing in the district.

[arrogantsob]

There is no reason to believe this convention will do anything but cause trouble.

Let’s see if I have got this right: Left controls convention because it is well-funded, organized and determined, Right gets screwed because it is none of those things?

[Flaming Conservative]

...maybe we should have been friendlier to those mormons...nah!

[HarleyLady27]

This is so dumb: If YOU don't like Our Constitution, Our America, Our Laws, then go find a country that you can live in and rule the way you want, all of you idiot demoRATS and RINOs who think they know what is good for everyone: the only people they care about is themselves, more money, more power, more greed, keep on going and soon AOC will be your President, how stupid is that???

The Mormons and Catholics in this State are SOOOO worried that the wall is going to keep out their global way of life, well then go find a country that you can live in, leave this State to the people who want a wall, want Our State to be safe for our children and grandchildren, want our schools to once again teach history of Our Country instead of re writing it...

Leave Our America and Our President ALONE!!!