Posted on 02/25/2019 10:37:27 AM PST by neverevergiveup
“The more you know, the more you know you don’t know”
You have to Tax a Volcano to really stop it don’t you know
We should morph lefty ideas into something that would really help: a heap big wealth tax on the carbon credits hoarded by green lefty millionaires so hungry green plants can eat.
Iceland is one of the world’s most most active volcanic zones on a per square kilometer basis. There’s always fear one of the larger volcanoes, especially Katla, could erupt in a big way; we’re talking a potential large-scale eruption approaching the scale of Krakatau in 1883, which could have climate effects lasting for a decade or more.
This is AOC’s chance to save the World and jump in
It’s the Sun.
Every Ice Age has been caused by less solar output.
It cycles down periodically and the earth freezes.
Nothing on earth causes that.
All the CO2 extractors in the world, if harnessed to the task specifically, would be overwhelmed by the emissions from just ONE active volcano. And this is by no means the only “burp” that the earth itself is allowing to boil up from the depths.
At the Mohorovicic Discontinuity, a thin boundary line between the rocky crust of the earth and the molten layers beneath, there is a very active chemical and physical brew continuously being formed and broken up. One of the major constituents of this layer is supercritical carbon dioxide.
Under sufficient pressure, carbon dioxide is a very powerful liquid solvent, and the elements of the Disconinuity are being separated and reformed under these conditions. When a vent through to the surface is formed, as by an erupting volcano, the underlying magma bursts forth with considerable pressure, releasing this carbon dioxide in a vastly expanded volume.
Technically, of course, the supercritical carbon dioxide is not a “liquid” in the sense we normally associate with something like water or petroleum. But carbon dioxide does provide fluidity to other elements and compounds, and this is the active part of the chemical and physical reactions occurring.
There is so much more we don’t know than what we do. And every “scientific fact” can be knocked on its head as newer discoveries are made, and all the old hypotheses fail to explain the inconsistencies.
There is not, and never can be, anything like “settled science”. At best, we are left with “SWAG”, scientific wild-(eyed) guesses.
[[I would also like to know what the absolute amount of CO2 is in the atmosphere,]]
The absolute amount, due to man, is just 0.00136% the total atmosphere is nearly 6 quadrillion tons, so whatever 0.00136% of 6 quadrillion tons is would be the total amount/weight that man produces-
[[There are data, for example, suggesting that nitrogen levels are increasing in the atmosphere because of human activity (eg use of nitrogen fertilizers etc.), especially reactive nitrogen. If that’s the case, how can we be measuring an increase in CO2, which is a trace gas, at the same time we are measuring an increase in nitrogen - which accounts for ~78% of the atmospheric gases?]]
total GreenHouse gases, including CO2 and everything else- both man produced and naturally produced, amount to 0.04% of the atmosphere-
[[So if the percentages of nitrogen and CO2 are going up, what is going down (as a percentage) to mathematically allow it all to add up to 100%?]]
Not sure i get what you’re asking? 100% of what? The atmosphere? Many folks claim that it’s like a glass full of water, and them ore we add to it, the more it ‘overflows’- this is a terrible analogy- the glass is nowhere near full. Here are soem facts that prove CO2 is not causing cliamte change:
Talking Points:
The current CO2 level of 400 ppm is at the extreme low end of the past 600 million years. Plants and therefore most life will die if CO2 falls below 180ppm.
CO2 has been as high at 7,000 ppm, or 17.5x today’s level and the earth has NEVER in 600 million years experienced catastrophic global warming, NEVER.
The earth fell into an ice age when the CO2 level was at 4,000 ppm, or 10x the level of today.
odern reefs and sea life developed over the past 220 million years when CO2 and temperatures were much higher than today. Coral Reefs only exist in the warm parts of the oceans and rely on dissolved CO2 to form their CaCO3 shells.
There is no defined mechanism by which CO2 can allow the globe to cool, the only defined mechanism it to trap outgoing radiation between 13 and 18 microns.
Over the past 600 million years, CO2 and Temperature simply aren’t correlated, and regardless of the level of CO2, temperatures cap out around 22 Degrees C.
CO2 caused ocean acidification is simply not a possibility due to the huge buffering capabilities of the ocean, once again, the coral reefs developed during periods of much higher CO2 levels.
Talking Points:
Climate change is the norm. Never in the 800,000-year ice core record is climate not changing.
Four Temperature Peaks in the last 400,000 years were all above today’s temperatures and occurred at lower CO2 levels.
Every GLACIATION began when CO2 was at or near peak levels, in other words, high CO2 levels were not enough to prevent GLACIATION.
The current record high level of 400 parts per million(ppm) CO2, a full 33% above any previous level on the chart, has failed to carry temperatures to a record high.
For any cause and effect relationship, the cause MUST lead the effect. CO2 does not lead Temperature, it follows it by 800 to 1,500 years. This video does an exhaustive review of the research. The AGW Theory is similar to claiming that lung cancer causes smoking. (Must Watch Video Clip)
Where is the UN plan to plug the volcano with concrete?
But, doesn’t that mean we can fix it by taxing people who LOOK at the sun?!
Sort of. A big eruption creates about as much CO2 as mankind produces in a few days, so volcanic CO2 does not matter. But the opposite problem with volcanoes is volcanic cooling or volcanic winter for the largest eruptions. With that kind of global cooling, millions or even billions would starve. At that point it would make worrying about global warming rather moot.
CO2 is now about 0.041% Man's contribution was to create the rise from 0.028 or so. A natural rise was in the cards from 0.028% to 0.03% by the recovery from the Little Ice Age. The rest of the rise is manmade.
O2 (oxygen) is decreasing.
At that point it would make worrying about global warming rather moot.
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It’s moot anyway.
The Sun will decide our temperature as always.
The next Ice Age will come.
Nothing we can do about the Sun.
410. It was 400ppm in 2015. That's why I would never use a site that doesn't even have uo-to-date numbers.
With a little help from its friends - Cosmic Rays!
As we ride the Milky Way merry-go-round and pass in and out of fields of high cosmic ray density to low & back again!
That’s true, the sun is in a “cool” phase and the warming we gained from higher solar in the late 20th century is the last we will see for while (decades at least).
My question about ‘100%’, was in reference to your post about how CO2 is just 0.00136% of the atmosphere. For their to be a percent of a component, there has to be a total of all components equalling 100%. So, if the percentage of one component goes up, the percentage of another component has to go down - by definition. Another FReeper stated that the component going down is oxygen. I'm not entirely aware of this, but will review the data.
I agree with the majority of what you've said, but I do take significant issue with the smoking and lung cancer association. All data of this sort (i.e. long-term population studies) are just association studies, and thus don't ‘prove’ cause and effect, but in the instance of smoking and lung cancer there is no doubt - whatsoever. The same is true of the association between smoking and peripheral arterial disease. Smoking is not the only risk factor for these clinical entities, but is clearly a very, very significant contributor.
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