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ISIS wife from Alabama will not be admitted to the US, Pompeo says
Fox News ^ | Alex Pappas

Posted on 02/20/2019 12:25:38 PM PST by Tench_Coxe

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To: DaxtonBrown
She can come back and run for congress.

She'd have to move to Minnesota for that.

21 posted on 02/20/2019 12:45:19 PM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: Tench_Coxe

So how is she going to win the Democrat nomination for 2020 now?


22 posted on 02/20/2019 12:45:31 PM PST by The Toll
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To: Tench_Coxe

Germany’s Merkel will most likely take her in. *SPIT*


23 posted on 02/20/2019 12:46:11 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin ( "Why can't you be more like Lloyd Braun?")
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To: Tench_Coxe

Absolutely
Keep her and the terrorist cub out of here.
We know muslims lie in order to get a foothold


24 posted on 02/20/2019 12:47:11 PM PST by RWGinger (Does anyone else really)
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To: Tell It Right

From the article:

Muthana, 24, has pleaded with officials to let her back into the U.S. following her recent escape from ISIS and capture by Kurdish forces. She was born in 1994 in Hackensack, New Jersey.

It’s unclear the exact provision the State Department is using to deem Muthana not a citizen.

But it could be because Muthana’s father was a diplomat, something her legal representative, Hassan Shibly, acknowledged Wednesday.

According to the United States Citizenship and Immigration Services, children born in the United States to accredited foreign diplomatic officers do not acquire citizenship under the 14th Amendment since they are not born subject to the jurisdiction of the U.S. at the time.

However, Shibly says Muthana’s father stopped being a diplomat months before Hoda was born in New Jersey.


25 posted on 02/20/2019 12:47:26 PM PST by NorthMountain (... the right of the peopIe to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: Tench_Coxe

Either her father was a foreign diplomat at the time of her birth, OR she catagorically and clearly renounced her citizenship.
Those are the only ways she could not be a citizen.


26 posted on 02/20/2019 12:48:30 PM PST by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat/RINO Party!)
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To: Tench_Coxe

She’ll just sneak across the border from Mexico.


27 posted on 02/20/2019 12:49:24 PM PST by Truthsearcher
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To: NorthMountain
IMHO, the whole born on U.S. soil thing is based on thin legal ground, regardless of if her daddy was still a diplomat. When she was born neither of her parents were U.S. citizens so therefore she's not a U.S. citizen unless she went through the naturalization process.

The born on U.S. soil thing is like the constitutional right to abortion. The constitution doesn't mention abortion at all and neither does it say being a natural born citizen is defined by location of birth instead of parents' citizenship status. But the left tells us over & over & over & over that's what the Constitution says in the hope that we'll keep believing it.

28 posted on 02/20/2019 12:52:35 PM PST by Tell It Right (1st Thessalonians 5:21 -- Put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true.)
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To: Tell It Right
The 14th Amendment reads in relevant part:

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

"Born in the United States" seems fairly obvious. What does "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" mean?

Apparently, accredited diplomats aren't; the argument seems to be that their children aren't either, regardless of where they're born.

29 posted on 02/20/2019 12:58:24 PM PST by NorthMountain (... the right of the peopIe to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: NorthMountain
It’s unclear the exact provision the State Department is using to deem Muthana not a citizen.

Taking an oath, affirmation or other formal declaration of allegiance to a foreign state or its political subdivisions after the age of 18 is an expatriating act and the person doing so forfeits their citizenship. That should be enough to keep her out.

30 posted on 02/20/2019 1:02:20 PM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: NorthMountain
What does "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" mean?

It means if you break our laws then you can be arrested and tried. Foreign diplomats enjoying diplomatic immunity are not subject to our jurisdiction and their children born here are not citizens per the 14th Amendment.

31 posted on 02/20/2019 1:04:24 PM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: Truthsearcher
She’ll just sneak across the border from Mexico.

Sneak?

Sneak!

Who the hell sneaks now...they just stroll across as if they owned the damn place.

Build the freakin' wall!

32 posted on 02/20/2019 1:05:55 PM PST by Snake Skin Sonny
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To: NorthMountain

We don’t want her back in Alabama


33 posted on 02/20/2019 1:06:08 PM PST by southland ( I have faith in the creator Republicans freed the slaves. Heb 13:2)
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To: DoodleDawg
It means if you break our laws then you can be arrested and tried.

When illegal aliens break our laws, we arrest them, try them, (sometimes) convict them, and (sometimes) imprison them. That makes illegal aliens "subject to the jurisdiction of [the United States]" ... and it makes their children born here, citizens of the United States.

34 posted on 02/20/2019 1:07:47 PM PST by NorthMountain (... the right of the peopIe to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: NorthMountain
When illegal aliens break our laws, we arrest them, try them, (sometimes) convict them, and (sometimes) imprison them. That makes illegal aliens "subject to the jurisdiction of [the United States]" ... and it makes their children born here, citizens of the United States.

It does.

35 posted on 02/20/2019 1:09:10 PM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: Tell It Right

I would refer you to Clay Blair’s excellent study of the Korean War, “The Forgotten War”, page 146. I quote LTC Mike Michaelis, who had just been given command of the US Army’s 27th Wolfhound Regiment, and was ordered to immediately deploy from Japan to Korea in July of 1950. “We’d just had our first child-a daughter. The only thing I had time to do was rush to the American Consulate with my wife and get our daughter certified so that SHE WOULDN’T BE A JAPANESE CITIZEN. I put twenty-five dollars, a razor, and tooth brush in my pocket and took off.” His daughter was born in the US Army hospital on Honshu.

Japan had regained it’s sovereignty at that time, and it’s citizenship laws were in effect. Japanese citizenship law held that ANYONE born on Japanese soil was a Japaneses citizen. However, the US and Japan had concluded Status of Forces Agreements concerning the children born to US military personnel on Japanese soil. US military bases were LEASED from the Japaneses government to the US for use as bases. They were still considered to be Japanese soil. If they were US soil, then the child of a pregnant Japanese worker delivering on a US base would be a 14th amendment citizen, just as if she had delivered in the US Embassy, which is US soil. With the SOFA agreement in place at that time, the Japanese citizenship of their daughter was waived, and the child would be exclusively a US citizen, (not natural born, but by US immigration and naturalization statutes extant at the time,(in the manner of Ted Cruz)

Both Michaelis AND his wife were natural born US citizens, serving their country overseas. Despite this, the location of their daughter’s birth makes her not even a 14th amendment citizen, but a statute citizen via the existing US Immigration and Naturalization laws.


36 posted on 02/20/2019 1:09:49 PM PST by DMZFrank
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To: Tench_Coxe

“Americans wake up! Men and women altogether. You have much to do while you live under our greatest enemy, enough of your sleeping!” she once wrote, according to The Guardian. “Go on drivebys, and spill all of their blood, or rent a big truck and drive all over them. Veterans, Patriots, Memorial, etc day … Kill them.”

So what is the hesitation about executing these people?
Just to do it ! For humanity’s sake , one quick pop behind the ear and end of the problem . Next....


37 posted on 02/20/2019 1:17:58 PM PST by LeoWindhorse
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To: NorthMountain
IMHO, "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" should be interpreted by what it meant a century and a half ago.

Two people who wrote the 14th amendment, including John Bingham who wrote the Citizenship Clause (containing the "jurisdiction thereof"), said it meant "every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen".

http://www.federalistblog.us/2007/09/revisiting_subject_to_the_jurisdiction/

So former slaves had no allegiance to the nations they had been pulled out of. They had "no foreign allegiance". In fact, many of the newly freed slaves were born in the U.S. (with the transatlantic slave trade banned in the U.S., though impossible to enforce completely while fighting the Barbary Wars, War of 1812, and Mexican American War, the end result is almost every former slave was born in the U.S. and never had any allegiance to an African nation as many didn't know even where their great great great grandparents were abducted from.

Indigenous folks, however, were still counting themselves as being subject to a foreign nation (foreign to the U.S.). So their kids weren't U.S. citizens.

Another example of where it should be obvious is the naturalization process requiring new citizens to renounce their allegiance to other nations.

https://www.uscis.gov/us-citizenship/naturalization-test/naturalization-oath-allegiance-united-states-america

38 posted on 02/20/2019 1:18:13 PM PST by Tell It Right (1st Thessalonians 5:21 -- Put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true.)
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To: The Toll

[So how is she going to win the Democrat nomination for 2020 now?]

I believe Hawaii’s Department of Health will find a way to help her out....


39 posted on 02/20/2019 1:21:57 PM PST by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold ......)
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To: Tell It Right

By this logic, (I think), illegal aliens have no legal right to be here and no legal (or any other) allegiance to the United States. Their allegiance is only to their countries of origin. Therefore, their children inherit their allegiance (to a foreign country), they are not “subject to the laws of [the United States”, and are NOT citizens.

This is the opposite conclusion from #31 and #34.


40 posted on 02/20/2019 1:23:05 PM PST by NorthMountain (... the right of the peopIe to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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