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Commentary: Concealed carry doesn't guarantee our safety — it puts us at greater risk (barf alert)
Chicago Tribune ^ | 17 jan 2019 | Nina E. Vinik

Posted on 01/17/2019 4:46:07 AM PST by rellimpank

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To: rellimpank
Because to liberals, a woman dead in an alley after being robbed, raped, and strangled with her own pantyhose, is morally superior to one who defended herself with a gun.
21 posted on 01/17/2019 5:15:10 AM PST by fungoking (Tis a pleasure to live in the 0zarks)
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To: rellimpank

I agree - sorta. CCW doesn’t “guarantee” my safety, but it sure as hell makes me “feel: safer. (I thought libs were all about feelings, nothing more than feelings...)


22 posted on 01/17/2019 5:15:34 AM PST by ManHunter (You can run, but you'll only die tired... Army snipers: Reach out and touch someone)
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To: Puppage

Hey, I carry a gun ‘cause cops are too damned heavy...!


23 posted on 01/17/2019 5:16:04 AM PST by ManHunter (You can run, but you'll only die tired... Army snipers: Reach out and touch someone)
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To: rellimpank; All

There are numerous problems with the authors approach.

One of the most obvious is that the FBI UCR only catches about 20% or less of justified homicides.

The other is her bias. She has made the choice to be unarmed. She *has* to take the stand that having a gun is more dangerous than not having a gun. If she admitted otherwise, she would have to admit she has made a serious mistake about the nature of reality. It is very hard for an adult to do that.

Her fantastical option is to remove all guns from society, so she will not have to worry about being attacked by someone with a gun.

That is how many leftists *think*. In impractical, fantastical, extremes based on false assumptions about reality.

The sequence goes like this:

I don’t like guns, or want to learn about them.

Therefore, I don’t want anyone to have them.

Therefore, make a law outlawing them.

Problem solved!

Just vote, and magically, the “problem” will go away!


24 posted on 01/17/2019 5:16:46 AM PST by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: goldstategop

The woman in the story who could have been shot/killed and the people who have been killed/raped/run over by illegal aliens are all acceptable losses as far as Dems are concerned. And they won’t even acknowledge the existence of victims.


25 posted on 01/17/2019 5:17:52 AM PST by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.”)
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To: rellimpank

I thought Chicago banned concealed and carry guns? If so, the teen probably thought she’d be an easy mark. I have a hard time feeling sorry for anyone who attempts to rob people at gun point.


26 posted on 01/17/2019 5:17:56 AM PST by econjack
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To: rellimpank
This is a well done article, but not the way you would think. What I mean is, it is an extremely well thought out, carefully worded, and very selectively sourced - all to support a position and perception that is exactly the opposite of reality. Let's take apart just one paragraph:

A 2015 Harvard study analyzing data from the National Crime Victimization Surveys found that self-defense gun use is rare — victims use guns in less than 1 percent of contact crimes.

The characterization that defensive firearm use is "rare" is only in relation to the amount of "contact crimes." What is left unsaid is that there is a lot of "contact crimes" and that even at just 1% that is still on the order of millions of defensive firearms uses every year. Millions.

That same year, there were more than 9,000 criminal homicides involving a gun, compared with just 265 justifiable homicides involving a private citizen using a firearm...

Note two things here. One, they are only looking at homicides, not non-lethal uses. Most defensive firearms uses do not involve killing the criminal. In fact the vast majority don't involve firing any shots at all. The second very carefully crafted part here is that they restrict their data to private citizens. No-doubt they are discounting any off duty law enforcement uses - while off duty law enforcement are often carrying and users of their firearms for self defense or defense of others. I'll bet you they also discounted uses by anyone who was a private security guard, private personal security, or anyone else they could reasonably (or not) excluded from their "private citizen" label. (eg. maybe even former military) All this to skew their numbers.

Ok, I said one paragraph but I just have to take a shot at one more statement - can't leave this one hanging out there:

In recent years, many states have relaxed their concealed carry laws, on the theory that concealed-gun carriers deter crime. But there is no credible evidence that permissive laws prevent or deter crime...

Really? No credible evidence? There are multiple studies that say exactly the opposite - that increasing private firearms ownership reduces violent crime, while reducing private firearms ownership increases crime. Multiple studies. The fact that they choose to brush these off as not credible is their own willful spin, not reality.

The entire article seems to be put together like this. Very carefully constructed and worded to sound irrefutable and convincing. But it is about 99% pure BS.

27 posted on 01/17/2019 5:19:18 AM PST by ThunderSleeps ( Be ready!)
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The left wants to take guns from non-violent people and leave them in the hands of violent criminals so they can waltz right in and take what is “rightfully” theirs from their “oppressors.”


28 posted on 01/17/2019 5:20:19 AM PST by I want the USA back (Lying Media: willing and eager allies of the hate-America left.)
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To: rellimpank
— victims use guns in less than 1 percent of contact crimes. That same year, there were more than 9,000 criminal homicides involving a gun, compared with just 265 justifiable homicides involving a private citizen using a firearm, according to the Violence Policy Center. This amounts to about 34 criminal homicides for every one justifiable homicide involving a gun.

So don't protect yourself and there'll be less killing!

29 posted on 01/17/2019 5:25:48 AM PST by papertyger (MSM=America's Ex-Wife)
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To: ThunderSleeps

The original article doesn’t allow comments. I’m sure that is by design because it was so easy to pick apart.

Also, the Chicago Tribune website is a MESS. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a website with as many ads at the bottom.


30 posted on 01/17/2019 5:26:34 AM PST by siberianheat
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To: ThunderSleeps
Most defensive firearms uses do not involve killing the criminal. In fact the vast majority don't involve firing any shots at all.

Not only that, but she ignores the hard-to-quantify deterrence effect -- thugs who want to commit crimes against persons, but don't because they fear the person might shoot back. The gun is not "used" at all -- it's not even drawn. The mere possibility that it might be there stops the crime from happening.

31 posted on 01/17/2019 5:27:36 AM PST by Campion ((marine dad))
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To: rellimpank

How can liberals so be profoundly stupid and still feed themselves?


32 posted on 01/17/2019 5:29:27 AM PST by Da Coyote
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To: ManHunter
CCW doesn’t “guarantee” my safety,

No, it doesn't. Nothing guarantees my safety.

Having a defensive weapon on my person gives me a better fighting chance.

And that's really all I ask for.

33 posted on 01/17/2019 5:31:47 AM PST by NorthMountain (... the right of the peopIe to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: ThunderSleeps
The entire article seems to be put together like this. Very carefully constructed and worded...

I agree completely. This isn't "opinion," this is deception.

34 posted on 01/17/2019 5:32:48 AM PST by papertyger (MSM=America's Ex-Wife)
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To: I want the USA back

Don’t blame me.the few dozen mega death fully automatic death rays (according to libtard definition ) and the few hundred thousand full cartridge projectiles that I used to own all accidentally fell in the Tennessee river. Now you’re free to assault me because all I have to defend myself is bear spray!


35 posted on 01/17/2019 5:33:14 AM PST by 2nd Amendment
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To: Da Coyote

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7WNip7cVy0


36 posted on 01/17/2019 5:33:17 AM PST by aomagrat (Brains have been washed. Wheels have been greased. Fear has been mongered.)
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To: siberianheat
The original article doesn’t allow comments. I’m sure that is by design because it was so easy to pick apart.

Color me SHOCKED!

37 posted on 01/17/2019 5:34:06 AM PST by papertyger (MSM=America's Ex-Wife)
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To: ThunderSleeps

This woman needs to compare Chicago and Houston.

I can’t get the list to post or I would.


38 posted on 01/17/2019 5:35:34 AM PST by Fai Mao (There is no rule of law in the US until The PIAPS is executed.)
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To: rellimpank
here were more than 9,000 criminal homicides involving a gun, compared with just 265 justifiable homicides involving a private citizen using a firearm

Notice that they only count justifiable homicides in calculating defensive gun use.

In the vast majority of cases, the CCW gun is not fired. I once discouraged a guy from trying to get into my car while I was at a red light by displaying my gun. He went away without further fuss. No body, no shot fired, no police report -- but a valid defensive use.

In the 2017 Justifiable Homicide statistics, there were 429 police justifiable homicides, and 353 civilian justifiable homicides. So civilians kill almost as many criminals as police do. Meanwhile, not many people claim that law enforcement having guns make us all less safe.

39 posted on 01/17/2019 5:42:58 AM PST by PapaBear3625 ("Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities." -- Voltaire)
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A “Havard Study”.....oh, you mean that place that just took in the lil’ hogster...that “Havard”. Yeah. They’ve got about as much credibility as a dung beetle. They lost all respect and credibility ages ago....nothing but dumb-azz libs there.


40 posted on 01/17/2019 5:43:19 AM PST by lgjhn23 (It's easy to be liberal when you're dumber than a box of rocks.)
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