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Commentary: Concealed carry doesn't guarantee our safety it puts us at greater risk (barf alert)
Chicago Tribune ^ | 17 jan 2019 | Nina E. Vinik

Posted on 01/17/2019 4:46:07 AM PST by rellimpank

Last week, a 25-year-old woman was standing at a bus stop before dawn in the Fernwood neighborhood on Chicago’s Far South Side when she was approached by a teen who attempted to rob her with a gun. Instead, the woman, a concealed carry permit holder, pulled out her own gun and shot and killed the 19-year-old.

On its face, this story may seem to make the case for the merits of concealed carry as a method of self-protection, especially for people living in high-crime neighborhoods. But the fact is that this scenario is an outlier. It is extremely rare for a legal gun owner to use a gun successfully in self-defense.

A 2015 Harvard study analyzing data from the National Crime Victimization Surveys found that self-defense gun use is rare — victims use guns in less than 1 percent of contact crimes. That same year, there were more than 9,000 criminal homicides involving a gun, compared with just 265 justifiable homicides involving a private citizen using a firearm, according to the Violence Policy Center. This amounts to about 34 criminal homicides for every one justifiable homicide involving a gun.

(Excerpt) Read more at chicagotribune.com ...


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1 posted on 01/17/2019 4:46:07 AM PST by rellimpank
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To: rellimpank

Riiiight. That’s why cops carry guns, too.


2 posted on 01/17/2019 4:47:00 AM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to says)
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To: rellimpank

Hilarious! Chiraq, where people openly murder each other with guns every day.

And this ho thinks self-defense is the problem. Bite me.


3 posted on 01/17/2019 4:48:53 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: rellimpank

Tell this to Ed Burke...


4 posted on 01/17/2019 4:50:39 AM PST by jonascord (First rule of the Dunning-Kruger Club is that you do not know you are in the Dunning-Kruger club.)
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To: rellimpank

The “argument” is too silly to read more and/or treat it seriously by the author Nina something.

Alternative is the woman (or anybody) gets robbed, then file for useless police report, and robber(s) get another day repeating the same thing.

Just this morning the local news (in Philly) somebody handed over his money to the two robbers and still got shot in the face for his trouble.


5 posted on 01/17/2019 4:52:30 AM PST by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = USSR; Journ0List + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey)
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To: rellimpank
there is no credible evidence that permissive laws prevent or deter crime.

Really?

Let's look at it the other way -- Chicago has extremely strict laws about firearms. It's permissive at all. How is Chicago doing in regards to preventing or deterring crime?

6 posted on 01/17/2019 4:54:05 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (If White Privilege is real, why did Elizabeth Warren lie about being an Indian?)
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To: jonascord

I love it when liberals lecture us about the immorality of using a gun for protection.

The same people who scold us for putting up a wall to keep uninvited guests out.


7 posted on 01/17/2019 4:54:15 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: rellimpank

Okay, so this means Vermont, Maine, New Hampshire, Montana, the Dakotas, and elsewhere like that are among the most violent places on earth.


8 posted on 01/17/2019 4:55:00 AM PST by OttawaFreeper ("The Gardens was founded by men-sportsmen-who fought for their country" Conn Smythe, 1966)
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To: ClearCase_guy

In Chicago, is black on black murder actually a crime to be pursued by cops?


9 posted on 01/17/2019 4:55:50 AM PST by bert ( (KE. N.P. N.C. +12) Princess Gray Beaver, for President?)
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To: rellimpank

It is extremely rare for a legal gun owner to use a gun successfully in self-defense.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Personally, I WANT there to be ‘rare’ occurrences and I WANT to be able to carry concealed to give me a chance to be that ‘rare’ occurrence where I successfully defend myself instead of ending up injured, raped or dead.


10 posted on 01/17/2019 4:56:34 AM PST by Qiviut (McCain & Obama's Legacy in two words: DONALD TRUMP!)
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To: rellimpank
It is extremely rare for a legal gun owner to use a gun successfully in self-defense.

Notice they implicitly acknowledged that she used her gun *successfully*? IOW, successful use of the gun results in a dead robber.

However, the whole sentence is BS as it is not extremely rare.

11 posted on 01/17/2019 4:57:59 AM PST by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith......)
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To: rellimpank
3 defensive shootings this year already in Chicago. From HeyJackass!


12 posted on 01/17/2019 4:58:20 AM PST by Kozak (DIVERSITY+PROXIMITY=CONFLICT)
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To: Puppage

If it saves even one life . . . it’s worth it.


13 posted on 01/17/2019 4:58:35 AM PST by healy61
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To: rellimpank

“...But the fact is that this scenario is an outlier..”

Dear Nina E. Vinik:

The woman is alive. The perp is dead, and won’t victimize anyone else.

Concealed Carry Saves Lives. Case closed.


14 posted on 01/17/2019 4:59:55 AM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: OttawaFreeper

In Nina Vinik’s world, We should show compassion to the thug and if the young woman was murdered for refusing to hand over her purse to him, its because guns are evil.

And journalists wonder why no one holds them in high regard when they publish drivel like this and insult our intelligence.

Guns Save Lives. Period.


15 posted on 01/17/2019 5:00:16 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: rellimpank

Only God can guarantee safety and the sum of risks is unquantifiable.


16 posted on 01/17/2019 5:00:51 AM PST by Theophilus (Make America Grateful Again)
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To: NFHale

A dead thug. Nina Vinik’s problem with it is simply she’s a liberal who hasn’t been mugged yet.


17 posted on 01/17/2019 5:01:52 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: rellimpank
But the fact is that this scenario is an outlier. It is extremely rare for a legal gun owner to use a gun successfully in self-defense.

When you lack an argument, call something an 'outlier.'

But even if it is an outlier, where's the problem? If we had legal gun owners using their weapons every day then all of the US would be a war zone.

18 posted on 01/17/2019 5:01:52 AM PST by relictele
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To: rellimpank

This is super woman. How did she get a concealed carry in Chicago, a super human feat?

The correct response to Harvard statistics is: if a gun can be used to save just one life, it’s worth it. Liberals use that argument for gun control over and over.


19 posted on 01/17/2019 5:02:50 AM PST by DeplorablePaul
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To: rellimpank
Tell that to all the obscenely wealthy Rat operatives who have armed security 24/7 and who have 30 foot high walls around their multi-million dollar “bungalows”.
20 posted on 01/17/2019 5:07:14 AM PST by Gay State Conservative (Mitt Romney: Bringing Massachusetts Values To The Great State Of Utah.)
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