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Ayn Rand on Morality
Ayn Rand Lexicon ^ | Years Ago | Ayn Rand

Posted on 01/15/2019 8:48:31 PM PST by huckfillary

If people did not indulge in such abject evasions as the claim that some contemptible liar “means well”—that a mooching bum “can’t help it”—that a juvenile delinquent “needs love”—that a criminal “doesn’t know any better”—that a power-seeking politician is moved by patriotic concern for “the public good”—that communists are merely “agrarian reformers”—the history of the past few decades, or centuries, would have been much different.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: chat; criminal; moralevasions; politician
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1 posted on 01/15/2019 8:48:31 PM PST by huckfillary
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Yeah, I’m really eager to hear the early acolytes of the free love movement expound their moral theories.

Libertarianism went really weird and abandoned the belief that it was one’s personal responsibility to care for and properly raise the children one begat after it became contaminated by her. Now people asserting they hold libertarian ideal tend to fall in line with planned parenthood.

They ain’t my grandfather’s libertarians.


2 posted on 01/15/2019 8:55:42 PM PST by MrEdd (Caveat Emptor)
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I left the LP because of abortion and weak on national, defense. I am fan of Ryan on objectivity and individual responsibility and being as free from government regulation as possible.


3 posted on 01/15/2019 9:01:59 PM PST by morphing libertarian (Use Comey's Report; Indict Hillary now; build Kate's wall. --- Proud Smelly Walmart Deplorable)
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To: morphing libertarian

Rand


4 posted on 01/15/2019 9:03:14 PM PST by morphing libertarian (Use Comey's Report; Indict Hillary now; build Kate's wall. --- Proud Smelly Walmart Deplorable)
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To: huckfillary
The essential characteristic of the Argument from Intimidation is its appeal to moral self-doubt and its reliance on the fear, guilt or ignorance of the victim. It is used in the form of an ultimatum demanding that the victim renounce a given idea without discussion, under threat of being considered morally unworthy. The pattern is always: “Only those who are evil (dishonest, heartless, insensitive, ignorant, etc.) can hold such an idea.”

http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/argument_from_intimidation.html

5 posted on 01/15/2019 9:12:56 PM PST by aynrandfreak (Being a Democrat means never having to say you're sorry)
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To: morphing libertarian

“I am fan of Ryan on objectivity and individual responsibility and being as free from government regulation as possible.”

Not a slam on her, but didn’t she end up broke and living on Social Security payments?


6 posted on 01/15/2019 9:13:33 PM PST by LouieFisk
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can you distinguish ideas from behavior. No one said she was perfect. But I believe she live up to her theories to some extent. Also she was virulent anti-communist.


7 posted on 01/15/2019 9:18:29 PM PST by morphing libertarian (Use Comey's Report; Indict Hillary now; build Kate's wall. --- Proud Smelly Walmart Deplorable)
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To: huckfillary

Getting morality lesson from a woman who equated an abortion to an appendectomy was where I got off the objectivism train - this woman was a sociopath.


8 posted on 01/15/2019 9:43:26 PM PST by datricker (Cut Taxes Repeal ACA Deport DACA - Americans First, Build the Wall, Lock her up MAGA!)
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Most so-called libertarians today are merely libertines.


9 posted on 01/15/2019 9:48:19 PM PST by YogicCowboy ("I am not entirely on anyone's side, because no one is entirely on mine." - J. R. R. Tolkien)
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“can you distinguish ideas from behavior.”

The problem is lies in when the two are in contradiction, you have someone who’s incongruous and can be called out for not “practicing what they preach”.
I’m not a Rand fan or a detractor, just never got into her stuff that much to be either.


10 posted on 01/15/2019 10:04:45 PM PST by LouieFisk
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To: MrEdd

I am a libertarian with this philosophy:

The Constitution means what it says and is subject to no interpretation outside of original intent.

Outside of the “very few” constitutional laws that supersede the individual states all law is the function of the individual states provided it does not violate the very few superseding federal laws.

The interstate commerce law is an abomination against The Constitution.


11 posted on 01/15/2019 10:07:21 PM PST by cpdiii ( canecutter, deckhand, roughneck, geologist, pilot, pharmacist THE CONSTITUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR)
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let me know when you find perfect humans


12 posted on 01/15/2019 10:14:48 PM PST by morphing libertarian (Use Comey's Report; Indict Hillary now; build Kate's wall. --- Proud Smelly Walmart Deplorable)
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“let me know when you find perfect humans”

That’s the thing, I’m not much on being a fanboy for guru-types in general. So I don’t look for one at all. But I just think it’s a wise idea if a person’s walk aligns with their talk.


13 posted on 01/15/2019 10:22:22 PM PST by LouieFisk
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bmp


14 posted on 01/15/2019 11:23:25 PM PST by gattaca ("Government's first duty is to protect the people, not run their lives." Ronald Reagan)
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To: morphing libertarian

can you distinguish ideas from behavior.

It is easy to distinguish swamp ideas form their behavior.


15 posted on 01/16/2019 12:03:16 AM PST by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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“When those who produce must seek permission to produce from those who produce nothing, your society is in decline. When the laws that are meant to protect you from the powerful protect the powerful from you, your society is in decline’’.


16 posted on 01/16/2019 1:51:44 AM PST by jmacusa (Made it Ma, top of the world!'')
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To: huckfillary

I prefer God.


17 posted on 01/16/2019 4:32:54 AM PST by onedoug
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My 9 year old daughter asked me this weekend what my favorite book was. I told her Atlas Shrugged. I admire Ayn Rand’s intellect. Her view of the future is pretty darn eerie, especially considering what we endured from 2008-2016.


18 posted on 01/16/2019 4:49:08 AM PST by MissEdie (I am South Carolina Strong.)
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Ayn Rand spoke out against Communism that makes people forcibly dependent upon the State.

She ended up dependent upon the State.

No conflict here. Will somebody please state the conflict?

It is the same dumb argument if a person speaks out against Big Gov’t, and they also take Social Security, then they should also be further humiliated by robbing him further.

The socialist accusers just wish to steal even more of that person's money. Socialists have no bound for their theft.

The libertarian just acknowledges dependency is bad. He also, in a rate moment of keenness, will estimate how much money the State actually stole from him.

Something a socialist could never calculate in their broad ignorance. Something even most astute Freepers could also nether do.

19 posted on 01/16/2019 4:51:18 AM PST by TheNext (Participation Award Winner = CoC)
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"It is the same dumb argument if a person speaks out against Big Gov’t, and they also take Social Security"

Social Security was FORCED upon my paycheck my entire working career. I am not now nor was I ever a fan of Social Security as it is simply nothing more than government ownership of the elderly. It needs to be ended. Ending it would take sacrifices from those currently receiving it, those who are stuck expecting it, and those who would have to give up the idea of ever receiving it. This is a multi-generational problem with a multi-generational solution.

I have a workable solution. All three parties above sacrifice something but in the end the program disappears from the face of the earth. Tell me your approximate age and I will tell you what your sacrifice is. The major burden facing Social Security is the retiring baby boomer generation. They have to be dealt with in a fashion that they can buy into. They have already sacrificed their entire working lives having to pay into a system that bought the votes of their parents and grandparents.

20 posted on 01/16/2019 6:43:04 AM PST by Uncle Sham
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