Graphs from a 2006 CDC study of mortality rates from the 1918 H1N1 flu. The dramatic spike on Graph B is the 25-30 cohort:
https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/12/1/05-0979-f3
Posted on 12/31/2018 2:45:33 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
H1n1 AND meningitis. Together.
Some flu strains put your imune system into overdrive which winds up killing you. Thats why healthy people can be taken down by a flu, depending on how it works.
In these cases you need drugs like an epinephrine or antihistamines, that tamp down the immune system response to a more normal level so it can fight the flu, but not kill the body.
I have been looking into this a bit today, and cannot find anywhere to substantiate meningitis.
In fact, the report states complications from H1N1.
As I have stated many times, it is possible to have happened regardless.
However, extrapolating from the CDC numbers in recent years, and knowing what kind of care Bre Peyton had access to, and at the age of 26, this is not usual.
It is possible but unusual.
And I have also been reading she has been threatened, although, what conservative who goes after HRC would not be targeted.
According to the CDC, at the link and numbers I provided, of course it kills, but it was far from normal. And that number of given regarding the pediatric deaths, includes all flu strains and types.
Additionally, all various flu strains and types combined still kill far more young children and older adults than any other age groups.
While it is clearly possible, for someone this age and in this health, with the type of care Bre Peyton had, this is still unusual.
It is true Ted has made a number of compromised and establishment oriented comments since his wife was killed.
However, I know him, and he holds a lot of conservative positions. He is much more timid than in the past.
Additionally, he still has some family out there, and I truly believe Ted has come face to face with real evil, and has compromised to deflect potential trouble.
The uk papers that reported on this are where they are stating flu and meningitis.
Barbara Olson was a remarkable woman.
“However, at 26, this is a bit unusual.”
Not at all. In fact it made her more likely than most to die from it.
The age cohort having the highest mortality rate in the 1918 H1N1 flu epidemic was 26 yrs old. 80 per 10,000.
H1N1 leverages the strong immune system of young adults against them by creating a cytokine storm. They can literally suffocate in their own antibodies.
“My question is where she got it. “
A crowd. A store. An airplane. Anywhere that she might have been around someone who had it. Flu is highly contagious and H1N1 is one of the strains going around this year. Someone coughing or sneezing near you is enough to pass it around.
As memory serves me, H1N1 was very lethal last go around for healthy, young adults.
Have you not taken a look at the modern CDC reporting on H1N1 during the last decade?
I even posted a CDC link for the 2017-2018 flu season earlier?
Regardless of Bre Peyton, anyone who takes a look at the recent CDC history of H1N1 for 2017-2018, while not comprehensive or fully known, can roughly extrapolate the numbers of dead from this strain in recent history, in the US, and especially from this age group, really is not usual.
So you are willing to regurgitate what many of us have known for much of our lives from history, and known because of the study by CDC, regarding the devastating global Influenza Pandemic of 1917-1918, thinking it makes you look smarter somehow, while ignoring the same exact CDC originated tracking of recent H1N1 Type A?
While it is certainly not conclusive, and it is possible Bre died as reported, from “complications due to H1N1 Type A”, as I have stated several times, I am just not comfortable with this yet. This is where I am at.
I am merely stating a working opinion. It is not meant to dictate anyone else’s opinion.
You are free to disagree and belittle and mock anyone you please all day long. No one is stopping you or anyone else from thinking its all normal and good. Nothing to see here. You are allowed to believe the mass media, big government, or even that the earth is flat. And you can even be militant about it.
And regarding Bre Peyton, you could be right! If you search back through what I have stated today, I have stated it is possible it all happened the way the news has reported.
However, I am also not comfortable with simply believing everything I hear from the mass media, as they really have been used as tools. While I would like to rule out evil, it is something I personally would like to know more about.
Regarding the 1917-1918 Global Influenza Pandemic -
https://www.cdc.gov/features/1918-flu-pandemic/index.html
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/1918-commemoration/1918-pandemic-history.htm
Graphs from a 2006 CDC study of mortality rates from the 1918 H1N1 flu. The dramatic spike on Graph B is the 25-30 cohort:
https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/12/1/05-0979-f3
Yeah, there are some suspicious deaths around that harridan, and they SHOULD be investigated by a real DOJ with some balls, but I don't believe Killary was responsible for Olson's death.
As for Bre, California is lousy with illegals. One of them bearing the H1N1 and/or meningitis bugs might have coughed on her, and she didn't pay attention. Those little peckers don't get their medical histories checked when they sneak across the border. One of them might have been a carrier.
Yes, I have seen the charts you posted, and quite some time ago. As well, what you have posted here, with the “dramatic spike” is from the 1917-1918 outbeak.
Not sure what your point is. That was a pandemic from 100 years ago, which anyone can study, and people are encouraged to study. In fact, the CDC’s study of that Pandemic has been the topic of significant debate, as the CDC has undertaken some dangerous studies, which were even discussed here on Freerepublic many years ago, as the CDC was unearthing frozen samples from the tundra in Alaska. Could be wrong but I believe this was from close to 20 years ago.
So you are posting graphs from the CDC study of the 1917-1918 H1N1 Pandemic, in an attempt to get readers to believe what happened in 1917-1918 is happening today, to dispell what?
No one has ever written, H1N1 is not capable of taking out a healthy and disciplined 26 year old with great health coverage. No one has said that.
What has been questioned, is in the larger picture, with no pandemic, and much better treatment, a high profile conservative, with a growing young audience, who had taken on HRC, unexpectedly die’s from a virus, which while possible, is actually not so usual.
Today, while it could and probably will happen again, we are far from a H1N1 Pandemic of 1917-1918 of 100 years ago. As well, how we would treat this today is very different.
You have completely skipped over further more recent CDC tracking of H1N1, (which if anything, is dramatically non-pandemic), so as to persuade, or to belittle, or to mock, a conservative audience, which naturally questions an already authoritarian bureacracy, which can and has used it’s authority to silence opposition.
As this very conservative and healthy, high profile, 26 year old, with health coverage, who has been growing more popular with younger adults, who has been investigating and publically taking on HRC and our bureacracy, just unexpectedly died, and not all of us are fully convinced our own government wouldn’t try to silence or take down someone apposed to them, somehow we are your target audience to persuade otherwise?
Why do you feel the need to squelch liberty loving conservatives, from keeping watch of our government, some of whom have been either been attacked, or know others who have been attacked by our own same government?
Would it make you feel better if we all just pronounced allegience to our rapidly growing authoritarian state?
Or proclaimed our allegience to a government bureacracy you deeply desire to believe incapable of foul play, and you obviously trust?
Okay, to make you happy, lets proclaim, there is absolutely no possible way, as a result of any of Peyton’s growing popularity with a young audience, ot her attacks on prominant leftists and HRC, could have motivated any foul play!
There, what a sense of relief! Now we can stop questioning and challenging the morality of our government bureacracy.
Peyton was in San Diego for a Federalist conference.
Where have you seen anyone write she did not die from H1N1?
After looking back at various posts, I have not read any post which says she did not die as stated.
The only post which which get dogmatic one way or the other, are posts such as you.
You mock anyone who questions the narrative.
What is posted is posted.
While questioning what happened to Barbara Olson, again, I was not at all dogmatic as to the chances of her being on Flight 77, and that flight being flown into the Pentagon.
But again, from your post, in your mockery, you are dogmatic, in knowing absolutely no foul play could have taken place.
So you attack me for being dogmatic, when it is clearly not the case, while you are the one being dogmatic?
What an honest person!
I post the 1918 H1N1 data because it demonstrates to anyone interested that the H1N1 flu variant is particularly lethal to healthy young adults of age 26.
Like Bre Payton, who was both 26 yrs old and dx’d with H1N1. And possibly meningitis as well. Either of which could have killed her.
Apparently this triggers you into becoming furiously wroth and demanding to know why I post it.
A) Because I want to.
B) Because it explains to those who don’t read CDC reports that H1N1 can quickly kill an otherwise healthy 26 yr old via a cytokine storm.
This appears to get your underwear all in a twist because you want to think that Hillary Clinton put out a hit on her and H1N1 was just incidental.
“You have completely skipped over further more recent CDC tracking of H1N1, (which if anything, is dramatically non-pandemic)”
Because I’m aware that there’s this little vaccine now for H1N1 and it is unlikely to go pandemic like it did in pre-vaccine 1918. That may come as news to you. Maybe you don’t know about herd immunity and how it breaks the chain of transmission. But it is still dangerous to those who do catch it.
“so as to persuade, or to belittle, or to mock, a conservative audience,”
I don’t suffer fools gladly. If that fits you, deal with it. It doesn’t fit conservatives who can read and think and who don’t resort to Hillary conspiracy theories for every unfortunate death.
Is H1N1 going to hit a single person out of a crowd?
Just like you continue to be very dogmatic, where no one was dogmatic, you are now showing your intolerance, where no one was intolerant.
Questioning yes, but no one I can see from any post, can or has stated Peyton died from foul play. No one I can see from any post has stated she did not die from H1N1.
From your own reaction, how is anyone supposed to not see, you cannot tolerate anyone questioning government, and you cannot tolerate anyone even defending themselves from your misguided attacks on them, or that you cannot tolerate anyone questioning your defense of government.
You really are revealing yourself.
“Is H1N1 going to hit a single person out of a crowd?”
No. Plenty of people have been sick in SoCal lately. I had a nasty respiratory illness for 3 weeks.. very possibly the flu... and the media failed to report it. Some of my friends had it as well.
The only reason that we know Bre Payton had H1N1 is because she died and is high profile. Unless someone is high profile you won’t hear about them getting sick or dying.
Ergo the news blackout on my persistent cough and difficult breathing, despite its obvious newsworthiness.
“Questioning yes, but no one I can see from any post, can or has stated Peyton died from foul play.”
You brought up HRC in post #34. Quit playing coy and own your nonsense.
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