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Georgetown renegotiating solar, wind power contracts (Texas Renewable Energy FAIL)
Austin American Statesman ^ | 16 December 2018 | Claire Osborne

Posted on 12/17/2018 8:34:26 AM PST by TADSLOS

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To: TADSLOS
100 percent of its power through renewable energy

That old story line is for the gullible rubes. What provides power when the sun isn't shining and the wind isn't blowing? The SECOND power plant you bought and paid for to keep the lights on and factories running 24x7.

21 posted on 12/17/2018 9:43:29 AM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: susannah59
re: "It says that the wind farm is west of Amarillo. Driving, that’s almost 500 miles from Georgetown. I’m not sure how far as the crow flies.

I don’t know much about electricity. I wonder, though, isn’t some of the power “lost” in transmission?"

Us *rate payers* in Texas are paying extra to build and now maintain HV transmission lines from west Texas where these wind farm reside ... we now have an independent charge for the 'wire carrier' (electricity transport) based on how much electricity we use, no matter which "plan" we are on.

22 posted on 12/17/2018 10:03:16 AM PST by _Jim (democrats create mobs. Republicans create jobs.)
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To: qaz123
all your doing

All you're doing.

23 posted on 12/17/2018 10:04:43 AM PST by arthurus (h)
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To: TADSLOS
The only reason they have this debacle is because the liberals want to feel good about themselves.

It has nothing to do with the planet, the environment, the climate, the weather, renewable energy, sustainable energy, green energy, etc.

It has everything to do with assuaging the guilt of liberals because they hate the capitalist economic system which runs on those evil twins, oil and gas.

Currently, and for the foreseeable future, solar and wind energy are the square pegs that are trying to be jammed into the round holes.

They're not ready for prime time yet.

24 posted on 12/17/2018 10:21:21 AM PST by HotHunt (Reagan was good but TRUMP IS GREAT!)
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To: susannah59

Most electrical power is put on a grid system covering large areas.
The kwhr they are using in Georgetown most likely came from a
generation facility using something other than wind and closer.


25 posted on 12/17/2018 10:46:07 AM PST by deport
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To: TADSLOS

If it was just Georgetown, maybe it wouldn’t be too bad, but other cities look at this & for some reason obscure to me...they want to jump on the bandwagon, too. It doesn’t take a college education to figure out that the “renewable energy” scam is just that.


26 posted on 12/17/2018 11:04:04 AM PST by oldtech
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To: arthurus

Thanks, Professor.


27 posted on 12/17/2018 11:54:34 AM PST by qaz123
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To: TADSLOS

If solar fails in Texas, then it can’t succeed in the Midwest.

I expect it is some kind of kickback scheme.


28 posted on 12/17/2018 11:56:48 AM PST by xzins (Retired US Army chaplain. Support our troops by praying for their victory.)
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To: susannah59

A lot of folks make a big deal about Musk’s, Powerwall thing or whatever it is. He made a really big rechargeable battery, something like a NiCad that goes in tools. Small, chic, but expensive. But, at the end of the day it doesn’t do anything more than someone living off-grid with a bunch of deep cycle batteries.

As for the big money, it’s all in companies getting that government cheese. Some actually make a product. Some take the money, declare bankruptcy and run.


29 posted on 12/17/2018 11:58:21 AM PST by qaz123
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To: oldtech
re: "they want to jump on the bandwagon, too. "

Makes one wonder if they have "oversold" this market already; too many cities chasing too little 'solar' ... would not be surprised, at all, to find out that all these cities are doing is "buying" Watts (watt-hours) sold as _solar_ BUT generated by coal, nuclear or natural gas (even during daylight hours!)

30 posted on 12/17/2018 11:58:32 AM PST by _Jim (democrats create mobs. Republicans create jobs.)
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To: xzins

The whole solar/wind power industry in Texas was built on a kickback scheme.

Thanks, Rick Perry!


31 posted on 12/17/2018 12:00:22 PM PST by TADSLOS (My favorite essential oil is bacon grease.)
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To: TADSLOS

Here in Ohio we’ve had 2.5 cloudy days for one partially sunny day for the past month. It makes me wonder at all the solar ads for Ohio that I see daily in print, online, and tv.

It strikes me as a bit of a bad decision to install it.


32 posted on 12/17/2018 12:36:47 PM PST by xzins (Retired US Army chaplain. Support our troops by praying for their victory.)
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To: _Jim; susannah59
https://www.puc.texas.gov/industry/maps/Electricity.aspx

Check out the Texas maps linked above.

#2 “Transmission for the Development of Scenario 2 of the Competitive Renewable Energy Zones (CREZ)” is a proposal of how to get wind power generated in West Texas to the high use areas to the East.

#1 “New Electric Generating Plants in Texas” shows the approved and proposed wind plants since 1995, plus all other approved generation, which is a dozen times larger than renewable generation.

Wind power can only be built in areas that have regular wind, for which West Texas has in abundance coming off the Caprock. Plus they have space and low population density which makes it less obnoxious, than building said wind farm near Highland Park or Sugar Land.

Worth a few minutes poking around the maps.

33 posted on 12/17/2018 3:02:02 PM PST by texas booster (Join FreeRepublic's Folding@Home team (Team # 36120) Cure Alzheimer's!)
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re: “Check out the Texas maps linked above.”

Those lines will be “stranded assets” once the inaptly named “SunCell” (a Brilliant Light Power invention; has nothing to do with solar BTW) hits the market in a few years.

These utility guys better get their heads on straight OR they are going to be, quite literally, left holding the bag.

But no one sees this, too bad, so sad.

It’s at this point, texas booster, I have to ask you if you have kept up with developments on the energy front - no, not the LENR guys (they still have some amount of work to do to approach “utility scale” heat production let alone generation).

I’ve got in mind here the work by Brilliant Light Power and the ‘harnessing’ of the Hydrino (as Dr. Mills has trademarked it).

Mills and company have come a long ways from the fluid-based heat producing cells, the hydrated silver shots from the 90’s and early 2000’s and can now generate ‘utility scale’ at 250,000 to >500,000 Watts of ‘power flow’ at will. Latest progress can seen here:

https://brilliantlightpower.com/news/

It may take a few days to absorb all that; it took me a year of on and off study to appreciate what Mills was up to, and to be able to separate the wheat from the chaff in terms of disinfo among some press and academics on this subject.


34 posted on 12/17/2018 3:43:13 PM PST by _Jim (democrats create mobs. Republicans create jobs.)
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To: texas booster

I’ll look at the maps.

I live on the Caprock- between Lubbock and Amarillo. I do understand the wind!

There are no wind farms within sight of my house but I see the components for the wind turbines going up and down the interstate all the time.

I have a friend who works for a small local manufacturing company. When the wind turbines started to “get big” the company owner looked into the possibility of expanding his company into manufacturing components. He realized pretty quickly that it would be far more trouble for him than it would be worth.


35 posted on 12/17/2018 4:19:51 PM PST by susannah59
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To: TADSLOS

A suburb of Austin explains it...


36 posted on 12/18/2018 12:31:05 AM PST by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale "Patriot")
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To: TADSLOS
(... (BLP), formerly BlackLight Power, Inc. ...)
37 posted on 12/18/2018 12:46:10 AM PST by yoe (Are the eliets playing hard ball with our freedoms and our Constitution?)
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To: Still Thinking

The hang up is they budgeted surplus sales at an assumed market price given the forward curve? Didn’t hedge? Seems pretty speculative. Of course they have the ultimate hedge— rate making authority.


38 posted on 12/18/2018 2:02:25 AM PST by steveyp
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To: broken_arrow1
A suburb of Austin explains it...

Actually, Georgetown and Williamson County used to be a staunchly conservative counter balance to the liberal hellhole of Austin.

That has just recently started to change over the past few years...and this eco freak mayor here is a so called republican.

The county is being flooded with Californian techie liberals who live here and work in Austin.

Remember Rick Perry’s junkets to Silicon Valley wooing tech companies to Texas? The chickens have come home to roost.

39 posted on 12/18/2018 6:15:08 AM PST by TADSLOS (My favorite essential oil is bacon grease.)
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To: yoe

yoe, WHAT did I just get done saying about what ‘academia’ and the ‘press’ have to say about BrLP, and you post that stupid link to wikipedia?

DO YOU KNOW how out of date and inaccurate that wiki crap is on this subject?

Geessh ...

Are you capable of doing any research on this subject? ANY AT ALL?


40 posted on 12/18/2018 5:14:57 PM PST by _Jim (democrats create mobs. Republicans create jobs.)
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