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US bears responsibility in conditions that created ‘caravan’[Obama Hillary created Honduran crisis
tucson.com ^ | Dec 11, 2018 | By Mary Sanchez Tribune Content Agency

Posted on 12/14/2018 4:51:21 PM PST by NoLibZone

‘For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder.”

Most Christmas seasons, the Bible passage from Isaiah prompts only the best of humanity to come forth with abundant blessings for the baby Jesus.

Not in 2018. For many people, the wrong stateless mother just gave birth to the wrong infant boy, on the wrong side of the U.S.-Mexico border.

The first baby of the migrant caravan, a U.S. citizen because he was born on U.S. soil, has arrived. His mother is a 19-year-old Honduran woman. She crossed into the U.S. near Tijuana, reportedly because she feared for her safety and that of her unborn child.

The birth, breathlessly reported by Fox News, quickly cued up talk of “anchor babies” and twisted interpretations of the Constitution. The debate about birthright citizenship was whipped up by President Trump’s recent and erroneous assertion that he could end it by executive order.

A well-publicized quote from the new mother, that the birth was a “big reward” for her family’s long journey, sealed the outrage.

Here we are again.

For those who study Honduras closely, one of the most frustrating aspects about the public debate is the lack of understanding about why the migrants are coming in the first place.

They’re not motivated by the idea of birthing babies in the U.S.

Most Americans have a basic understanding of why the people are willing to walk or hitchhike a route of more than 1,600 miles and endure any number of threats of physical harm along the way, all for the very slim chance that they might qualify for asylum.

They’re fleeing poverty and violence, we’re told. Gangs and drugs have corrupted their society, making a peaceful and secure existence impossible for many. But what led up to the dire circumstances, and what role the U.S. played in the situation — that’s rarely addressed.

Until that context is better understood, the likelihood of generating public and political support for long-term solutions will be limited.

The current crisis traces back to 2009, when a coup removed the democratically elected president, Manuel Zelaya, who was seized in his bed by the military and exiled.

Guess who demurred on calling it a military coup? The Obama administration, which hesitated because doing so would have required cutting off U.S. aid.

Rather, Obama and then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton waited it out, hoping that new elections would restore democracy.

That never happened.

Rather, the privatizing of utilities ensued, bringing on dramatic increases in costs, 100 percent in two years by some reports. And the new government ushered in foreign businesses, efforts that too often have meant land grabs that stole the livelihood of rural farmers and stirred fears of pending environmental calamities.


TOPICS: Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: aliens; caravan; centralamerica; clinton; hillary; honduras; invasion; obama; thecaravan; zelaya
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Hilary created the current migrant crisis in the EU by removing Qaddafi and the current crisis in the Honduras!

WOW!

1 posted on 12/14/2018 4:51:21 PM PST by NoLibZone
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To: NoLibZone

No more Anchor Babies!


2 posted on 12/14/2018 5:00:07 PM PST by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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To: TADSLOS; Tennessee Nana
(A) .....what led up to the caravanners supposedly dire circumstances, and,
(B).....what role did the US play in the situation?

Back in 2009, a coup removed the democratically elected president of Honduras who was seized in his bed by the military and exiled.

QUESTION Who demurred on calling it a military coup?

ANSWER The Obama admin b/c that would have required cutting off U.S. aid.

3 posted on 12/14/2018 5:01:14 PM PST by Liz (Our side has 8 trillion bullets; the other side doesn't know which bathroom to use.)
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To: Liz

14 Dec: Judicial Watch: Judicial Watch: Documents Reveal Obama State Department Urgently Provided Classified ‘Russiagate’ Documents to Multiple Senators Immediately Ahead of Trump Inauguration
Judicial Watch today released two sets of heavily redacted State Department documents, 38 pages and 48 pages, showing classified information was researched and disseminated to multiple U.S. Senators by the Obama administration immediately prior to President Donald Trump’s inauguration. The documents reveal that among those receiving the classified documents were Sen. Mark Warner (D-VA), Sen. Ben Cardin (D-MD), and Sen. Robert Corker (R-TN)...
https://www.judicialwatch.org/press-room/press-releases/judicial-watch-documents-reveal-obama-state-department-urgently-provided-classified-russiagate-documents-to-multiple-senators-immediately-ahead-of-trump-inauguration/


4 posted on 12/14/2018 5:05:30 PM PST by MAGAthon
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To: NoLibZone

5 posted on 12/14/2018 5:08:41 PM PST by TADSLOS (I wish Adam and Eve had been Cajuns. They would have ignored the apple and ate the snake.)
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... a coup removed the democratically elected president, Manuel Zelaya, who was seized in his bed by the military and exiled.

What they don't tell you is he was term limited and tried to pass an illegal referendum to extend his term. The voting machines were seized and found to be rigged for this Socialist POS to win. This is the same technique that Chavez used to take over Venezuela. Probably even set up by Chavez as well

6 posted on 12/14/2018 5:20:42 PM PST by Nateman (If the left is not screaming, you are doing it wrong)
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To: MAGAthon
Notice the goofy OMG! face on the goon-faced Halfrican when he met the impressive president-elect.
The dirt Hillary was supposed to sweep under the rug is now in the hands of the man the Halfrican tried to destroy.

"After all we did for her, that lousy Hillary lost. "How’m I gonna get out of the mess I’m in?"
"I know, we’ll invent Russian collusion......we lie like crazy......setup Trump to take the blame.”

7 posted on 12/14/2018 5:23:11 PM PST by Liz (Our side has 8 trillion bullets; the other side doesn't know which bathroom to use.)
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To: NoLibZone
They’re not motivated by the idea of birthing babies in the U.S.

LOL!! Bullshit. From all over the globe they are ALL motivated by the idea of birthing babies. You're either an idiot who should be shoveling shit or a liar.

8 posted on 12/14/2018 5:32:48 PM PST by VeniVidiVici
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To: NoLibZone

Spain bears the responsibility for the failures of their former Colonies.


9 posted on 12/14/2018 5:44:40 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: NoLibZone
The current crisis traces back to 2009, when a coup removed the democratically elected president, Manuel Zelaya, who was seized in his bed by the military and exiled.

Absolute Lie. It was NOT a coup. Zelaya was a drug connected politician who violated the Honduran constitution and tried to defy constitution and run for 2nd Term. He was removed legally. And the Courts agreed to it. They picked him up in his P.J.s and dropped him across the border of Costa Rico. Obama did everything he could to force him back into office. Threatening cutting of US aid and much more. The Hondurans hung tight and told Obozo NO.

10 posted on 12/14/2018 5:49:55 PM PST by Texas Fossil ((Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!))
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...when a coup removed the democratically elected president, Manuel Zelaya, who was seized in his bed by the military and exiled.

That is utter BS. There was no coup in Honduras. Zelaya was a traitor who defied the Honduran constitution and was removed by constitutionally legal orders from the Honduran courts and legislature.

0bama and Hillary did their best to support the traitor and thief Zelaya who was himself attempting a coup on the Honduran constitution.

11 posted on 12/14/2018 6:32:22 PM PST by TigersEye (This is the age of the death of reason.)
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To: Liz

BO carries on, winning stupid awards and smooth talking his audiences and the swooning press. Give me a real man like Trump, who is who he is out front for everyone to see. Can’t stand a smooth facade hiding a whole lot of illegal activity and nastiness.


12 posted on 12/14/2018 6:49:57 PM PST by dandiegirl (BO)
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To: NoLibZone

Zelaya Refuses to Recognize Honduran Vote (11/15/2009)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2386827/posts

See Zelaya letter to Obama in post#23


13 posted on 12/14/2018 7:45:35 PM PST by Texas Fossil ((Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!))
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To: TigersEye
That is utter BS. There was no coup in Honduras. Zelaya was a traitor who defied the Honduran constitution and was removed by constitutionally legal orders from the Honduran courts and legislature. 0bama and Hillary did their best to support the traitor and thief Zelaya who was himself attempting a coup on the Honduran constitution.

You are 100% correct. That article in the Tuscon.com is a totally litany of lies. It is not mistakes, it just plain damn lies.

14 posted on 12/14/2018 8:16:10 PM PST by cpdiii (Cane Cutter, Deckhand,Roughneck, Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist: THE CONSTITUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR!)
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I am happy to see by this thread that there are several others who remember the facts of this sorry story.

I’m a little confused about the aim of the tucson.com article. They’re using a litany of lies to lay blame on 0bama and Hillary when in fact the truth is what really convicts them of villainy.


15 posted on 12/14/2018 8:51:48 PM PST by TigersEye (This is the age of the death of reason.)
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To: Liz; Texas Fossil; TigersEye

Doesn’t anyone remember “Operation Castaway”...the Honduran Fast & Furious?

Take your pick of referrences

http://www.bing.com/search?q=operation+castaway&qs=n&form=QBLH&sp=-1&ghc=1&pq=operation+castaway&sc=5-18&sk=&cvid=2C154EE52EC746B18B6AAC2AA358B202


16 posted on 12/14/2018 9:39:56 PM PST by Roccus (When you talk to a politician...ANY politician...always say, "Remember Ceausescu")
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To: Roccus

More on Operation Castaway

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2751690/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2745481/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2745011/posts


17 posted on 12/14/2018 9:49:30 PM PST by Roccus (When you talk to a politician...ANY politician...always say, "Remember Ceausescu")
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To: Roccus
I do remember it. The second link in this post, that I made yesterday, goes to another post (made by another poster) with loads of info on it.
18 posted on 12/14/2018 9:51:20 PM PST by TigersEye (This is the age of the death of reason.)
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To: NoLibZone
While we are at it:


19 posted on 12/14/2018 11:19:10 PM PST by Slyfox (Not my circus, not my monkeys)
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To: NoLibZone

This article is complete BS. That’s not what happened.


20 posted on 12/15/2018 10:55:02 PM PST by dinodino
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