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What cops need to consider about armed citizens
Police One ^ | 30 November, 2018 | Mike Wood

Posted on 12/11/2018 6:43:17 AM PST by marktwain

Armed citizens and police officers are natural allies, and teammates in the fight against crime. There is no segment of the community more supportive of law enforcement than their fellow citizens who are lawfully armed.

So why are they accidentally killed by police with such distressing frequency?

2018 has been a tough year

This has been a tough year for police and armed citizens alike. In 2018, we’ve seen a number of tragic mistakes made by police officers who shot and killed lawfully armed citizens in error, including a homeowner in Aurora, Colorado, a security guard in Chicago, Illinois, and a Thanksgiving eve shopping mall patron in Hoover, Alabama, among others.

In each of these situations, the officers believed they were using force to stop someone who had endangered innocent life, but they were sadly mistaken. The officers were thrust into a dynamic and dangerous situation where they had to act quickly based on imperfect and incomplete information, and each of them made a fatal error that cost a life.

We still don’t understand the details of how these particular events unfolded, so it’s inappropriate to comment directly on the circumstances or assign blame. There were probably mistakes made by all parties – both armed citizens and police – which led to the unhappy endings of these stories, and this is not the place to hash that out.

Tactical considerations

Instead, I’d like to suggest some things for police to consider in order to avoid a tragic repeat of these events:

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1 posted on 12/11/2018 6:43:17 AM PST by marktwain
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Plain and simple, some police are high on power and a bit too trigger happy, protected for their actions too often because they are the police.


2 posted on 12/11/2018 6:48:39 AM PST by Reno89519 (No Amnesty! No Catch-and-Release! Just Say No to All Illegal Aliens! Arrest & Deport!y)
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To: marktwain

Both sides of this issue have to come to a understanding what the proper response is.

When confronting one or the other.

It is not a one way street.


3 posted on 12/11/2018 6:51:24 AM PST by riverrunner
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To: Reno89519

True, but gun owners, especially conceal carry, need to be especially familiar with the proper procedure when encountering a LEO.


4 posted on 12/11/2018 6:54:53 AM PST by traderrob6
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To: marktwain

When an officer encounters an armed person they have no way of knowing that individual’s intentions. Guessing wrong can be fatal. The difficulty is how does the good guy convincingly communicate their good intentions in an encounter that will be measured in seconds?


5 posted on 12/11/2018 6:57:14 AM PST by Spok
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To: marktwain

Cops kill unarmed citizens

Still better to be to armed!


6 posted on 12/11/2018 7:02:51 AM PST by RedMonqey ("Those who turn their arms in for plowshares will be doing the plowing for those who didn't.")
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To: Spok
The difficulty is how does the good guy convincingly communicate their good intentions in an encounter that will be measured in seconds?

1.) Drop the gun.

2.) Put your hands up.

7 posted on 12/11/2018 7:04:42 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (Every time a lefty cries "racism", a Trump voter gets his wings.)
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To: Jeff Chandler

Bingo! The armed innocent citizen needs to put his/her firearm down and show their open hands to the police when they show up. The citizen’s job is done at that point. It’s up to the police from that point forward.


8 posted on 12/11/2018 7:11:12 AM PST by Boomer (To Thine Own Self Be True)
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To: marktwain
So why are they accidentally killed by police with such distressing frequency?

Because the police get paid by and take orders from government officials who have a vested interest in disarming lawfully armed citizens.

9 posted on 12/11/2018 7:12:56 AM PST by Yashcheritsiy (I'd rather have one king 3000 miles away that 3000 kings one mile away)
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To: Reno89519

Blow away the family pet then apologize for being at the wring house.


10 posted on 12/11/2018 7:18:51 AM PST by SkyDancer ( ~ Just Consider Me A Random Fact Generator ~ Eat Sleep Fly Repeat ~)
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To: Yashcheritsiy

“Because the police get paid by and take orders from government officials who have a vested interest in disarming lawfully armed citizens.”

I sincerely hope that you are NOT a gun owner as that sort of twisted attitude gives us all a bad name.


11 posted on 12/11/2018 7:18:56 AM PST by traderrob6
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To: marktwain
Easy to say but hard to put into practice...when knocking on a door responding to a "disturbance" call can be deadly, the citizens need to understand that when cops respond to a violent situation, they are also thinking of preserving their own lives.....many of the 'accidental" killings are pure cases of contributive negligence where the citizen doesn't do everything he can to not present as a threat.

There are bad cops out there but I'd wager not as many as some seem to think and one needs to do their own part to contribute to their own safety.....must be hard on a good cop to find out he killed a good citizen...no wonder they have a high number who eat their own guns.

12 posted on 12/11/2018 7:21:03 AM PST by trebb (Those who don't donate anything tend to be empty gasbags...no-value-added types)
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To: marktwain

Plainclothes and off-duty police officers have been killed by other officers. It is always a tricky situation when the on-duty crew shows up. You’d have to go into the details of each incident but it’s best to holster the weapon and show your hands.

That being said, it sure looks like there’s an increasing tendency to shoot first and ask questions later. Maintaining cover and taking a couple of seconds to assess the situation would help.


13 posted on 12/11/2018 7:22:08 AM PST by SargeK
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To: traderrob6

The police follow their orders, first and foremost. Duh. If placed in a position of choosing to either lose their job and pension, or doing something illegal but which will be swept under the rug by a higher up, better than 90% of cops will choose to do the illegal thing and be protected from taking any heat for it.

If you don’t get that, then you don’t know a thing about human nature.


14 posted on 12/11/2018 7:22:38 AM PST by Yashcheritsiy (I'd rather have one king 3000 miles away that 3000 kings one mile away)
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To: marktwain

When your main tool is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
The training is the main problem, too aggressive. also the personality profile of the trainee is important.


15 posted on 12/11/2018 7:23:47 AM PST by READINABLUESTATE
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To: trebb

Part of the problem is that in many cases, a citizen doesn’t even know that the cops are there for a “disturbance call” until SWAT is busting their door in at 2 AM.

That’s why SWATting has proven to be an effective, if highly immoral, tactic by ne’er-do-wells.


16 posted on 12/11/2018 7:24:56 AM PST by Yashcheritsiy (I'd rather have one king 3000 miles away that 3000 kings one mile away)
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To: Yashcheritsiy

Good case for making “swatting” a capital offense...


17 posted on 12/11/2018 7:26:48 AM PST by trebb (Those who don't donate anything tend to be empty gasbags...no-value-added types)
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To: Yashcheritsiy

I’m familiar enough with “human nature” to know a person suffering from PPD when I seem em.


18 posted on 12/11/2018 7:27:34 AM PST by traderrob6
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To: trebb

Yeah, it actually should be. It’s literally premeditated murder.


19 posted on 12/11/2018 7:28:15 AM PST by Yashcheritsiy (I'd rather have one king 3000 miles away that 3000 kings one mile away)
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To: traderrob6
True, but gun owners, especially conceal carry, need to be especially familiar with the proper procedure when encountering a LEO.

In most of these shootings there is no time to follow a procedure. Police officer comes. Police officer sees person with gun. Police officer shoots with little or no warning.

20 posted on 12/11/2018 7:35:57 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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