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Sen. Ted Cruz, others announce bill to fund $25 billion border wall
KXAN ^ | 6 Dec 2018 | Tulsi Kamath

Posted on 12/06/2018 11:25:55 AM PST by BeauBo

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To: BeauBo

Don’t spending bills have to originate in the house?


21 posted on 12/06/2018 11:44:56 AM PST by DannyTN
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To: BeauBo

Don’t spending bills have to originate in the house?


22 posted on 12/06/2018 11:44:56 AM PST by DannyTN
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To: BeauBo

Bingo!

Deem it so Scotty!


23 posted on 12/06/2018 11:45:41 AM PST by Vendome (I've Gotta Be Me https://youtu.be/wH-pk2vZGw2M)
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To: Zathras

Is Cruz in the house? How IS THAT on him?


24 posted on 12/06/2018 11:46:09 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: Syncro

Yep. I saw the charts the other day. Fraud, Waste & MASSIVE Abuse, for sure!


25 posted on 12/06/2018 11:46:25 AM PST by Diana in Wisconsin ( "Why can't you be more like Lloyd Braun?")
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closing existing loopholes that provide illegal immigrants with
federal benefits and tax credits

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Interesting if it can be passed in both Houses.

It won’t increase tax moneys but use money going to illegals.
If they can’t get funds from the gov’t they will have to find
work, scrounge from other sources or leave. No more handouts.


26 posted on 12/06/2018 11:46:51 AM PST by deport
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To: Zathras

Might get through the lame duck House, but totally agree that the Dems will not support it in the incoming House.


27 posted on 12/06/2018 11:51:10 AM PST by taxcontrol
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To: Zathras

It will NEVER get passed the House.

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Maybe so, but if it doesn’t pass the House
then the voters have the option to send the
NAYS packing at the next election. What’s
good about this approach is it doesn’t raise
federal taxes as it only uses money already
going to the illegals.


28 posted on 12/06/2018 11:51:51 AM PST by deport
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To: matthew fuller
I thought about that, but it's really not a "spending" bill, it's a "cutting" bill. Don't know if that makes any difference...

No, it doesn't make any difference. Whether it raises or lowers spending, or raises or lowers taxes, it is an appropriations bill and must originate in the House.

29 posted on 12/06/2018 11:53:29 AM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: DannyTN; Yo-Yo

“All spending bills must originate in the House. Obamacare was started in the Senate by using an appropriations bill already passed in the house, and amended it by striking every single word out of the bill, including the title, and amending it with the Obamacare bill language.”

Wow.

McConnell was there then. He learned the hard way how legislation can be rammed through.


30 posted on 12/06/2018 11:54:18 AM PST by BeauBo
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To: Yo-Yo
it is an appropriations bill and must originate in the House.

I'm sure Ryan is all over it.

31 posted on 12/06/2018 11:54:28 AM PST by 1Old Pro
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To: BeauBo

...reconciliation over the Christmas holiday - like Obamacare.


Now that would be some WELL deserved comeuppance.


32 posted on 12/06/2018 11:57:46 AM PST by Yardstick
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To: BeauBo
fund the border wall by closing existing loopholes that provide illegal immigrants with federal benefits and tax credits

That would be just as good as Mexico paying for the wall. In fact, even better in the long run.

Unfortunately, such a bill will not pass in this Congress, nor the next. The wall was effectively defeated in the midterm election.

33 posted on 12/06/2018 11:57:49 AM PST by ETCM
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To: BeauBo
McConnell was there then. He learned the hard way how legislation can be rammed through.

It was done by Dingy Harry Reid.

If you're interested in history, here's a read:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2017/06/22/history-lesson-how-the-democrats-pushed-obamacare-through-the-senate/?utm_term=.dfb1040cf5a4

It is WaPo, and is explaining how Mitch McConnell was "undoing" Obamacare, but the relevant part is:

"But here is where it gets complicated — and more opaque. Working secretly in his office, much like Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.), Senate Majority Leader Harry M. Reid (D-Nev.) merged the two committee bills and unveiled his own version of a health-care bill on Nov. 18 that was scored by the Congressional Budget Office.

"In a bit of legislative maneuvering, Reid offered his text as an amendment to a completely different House bill — the Service Members Home Ownership Tax Act of 2009. That’s because this bill had been sitting on the Senate Calendar of Business, avoiding the need for Reid to obtain unanimous consent to bring it up. This bill was also already obsolete — the issue had been taken care of in another bill — and so it was an ideal vehicle to start debate on the Senate floor. Reid inserted the text into the shell of the old bill."


34 posted on 12/06/2018 12:00:34 PM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: ETCS

Unfortunately, such a bill will not pass in this Congress, nor the next. The wall was effectively defeated in the midterm election.


The Wall was “effectively defeated” because the GOP and their coporate donors do not want one. It was reported shortly after POTUS inagurated that the GOP had no interest in funding The Wall and here we are.


35 posted on 12/06/2018 12:04:16 PM PST by lodi90
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To: Zathras

That’s right, no chance it gets through the House.


36 posted on 12/06/2018 12:06:22 PM PST by gibsonguy
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To: DannyTN
On Dec 3, the House introduced H.J. Res 143 extending continuing appropriations for certain departments and agencies until Dec 21, 2018. Cruz's bill can be offered as an amendment to H.J. Res 143 and be voted on by the Senate. If passed, it would go back to the House.

The next chance to get it through this session will be when Congress has to extend or replace the continuing appropriation before Dec 21.

37 posted on 12/06/2018 12:08:43 PM PST by IndispensableDestiny
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To: Yo-Yo

Any “money” bill must originate in the “peoples house”.


38 posted on 12/06/2018 12:12:22 PM PST by bubbacluck (America 180)
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To: BeauBo

Where the F##k have they been for the last 2 years when we had the house?

Once again, when there’s NO CHANCE this becomes law suddenly Republicans are talking the talk.


39 posted on 12/06/2018 12:13:02 PM PST by Kozak (DIVERSITY+PROXIMITY=CONFLICT)
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Wall of Dreams — if we build it, they won’t come.


40 posted on 12/06/2018 12:16:39 PM PST by Peter ODonnell (I taught AOC everything she knows, and it only took five minutes)
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