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To: Lurker

A young female working through the wire, would you personally pull the trigger?

A child?

We all know they will send women and children.

Have you ever killed another human being?

You would put this on the head of some unfortunate Grunt? And if he refuses to pull the trigger...

Would give a direct and unlawful(?) order to do so?
Take over his weapon and show him how?


41 posted on 10/28/2018 8:56:28 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT (So what!)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

I would. We are at war. If you lived closer to the border you would see that.


45 posted on 10/28/2018 8:59:15 AM PDT by proust ("The rule is, jam tomorrow and jam yesterday, but never jam today.")
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To: DUMBGRUNT

“A young female working through the wire, would you personally pull the trigger?”

Yup. They’re an illegal invading army. Nothing says “stop or die” quite like triple razor wire.

L


49 posted on 10/28/2018 9:00:58 AM PDT by Lurker (President Trump isn't our last chance. President Trump is THEIR last chance.)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

Yes, I would, and without hesitation.


53 posted on 10/28/2018 9:01:56 AM PDT by JME_FAN (If you lived here, you'd be home by now.)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

agreed.

A lot of people here think the front rank in the Carvan in the final show-down will be:

Saggy-pants, Big-bellied La Raza captains, both middle-fingers upheld, neck-veins bulging and he bellows “Mi raza, mi FAMILIA..!”

But it’s not going to be that way:

The first rank is going to be the very weakest, visually vulnerable women and kids, so unthreatening that even mild physical intervention will seem unpleasant to the most militant BP thugs.

The key is to turn them away *on the Mexican side*, where US law does not apply.

But that requires the political will to visibly tresspass Mexican sovereignty and so far our leadership gives off no sign of doing that.


56 posted on 10/28/2018 9:05:21 AM PDT by gaijin
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To: DUMBGRUNT

Said the same .

Some on here got excited about sending the military, why??? All they will do is process and observe, they certainly will not be given orders to shoot and even if they did would that 2 year old soldier want to shoot a kid and face the wrath later?

Put out miles of razor wire, rubber bullets, water cannon, cs gas if need be


59 posted on 10/28/2018 9:06:43 AM PDT by manc ( If they want so called marriage equality then they should support polygamy too.)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

its not fair to personalize what should be a typical function of government, ie, controlling immigration. The real question should be: “Where is so called ‘law enforcement’?” Asleep while 15 MILLION illegals are here.


76 posted on 10/28/2018 9:14:58 AM PDT by TonytheTiger7777
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To: DUMBGRUNT
A young female working through the wire, would you personally pull the trigger? A child?

Of course not and that is more than a knee jerk option. The imposition of Martial law in the entire border area will suspend the constitutional question of amnesty/asylum which the horde has no right to demand after rejecting Mexico's offers. That would allow immediate removal back over the border of illegal entrants. Pictures, fingerprints, dna swab and holding area till there is a bus load to transport them back over the border. The more militant vatos like the ones pictured in 90% if photos like the ones that tore down the Guat/Mexican border fence forced their way in can be handled with equal force. Hopefully there are arrangements and many many more personnel a few miles back of the border so when a large breach and flood like the Mexican bridge happens they can be stopped, detained and removed. That will take a buttload of troops and police when a couple thousand come in a bunch.

78 posted on 10/28/2018 9:16:06 AM PDT by redcatcherb412
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To: DUMBGRUNT

Exactly. When I got out they were setting up something called the Dismounted Battlespace Lab at Benning. Supposedly they had all sorts of nonlethal crowd control whizbang contraptions under development. One was even supposed to make people crap themselves. Never seen any of this.

That said, process these people, load them on C130s and return to sender. They want in they can get in line.


81 posted on 10/28/2018 9:16:53 AM PDT by ameribbean expat (Socialism is like a nude beach - - sounds great til you actually get there. -ntnt- David Burge.)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

Good points. That’s what is so frustrating about this fabricated confrontation. The immigrants hold most of the cards once it gets down to the final couple of hundred yards.


107 posted on 10/28/2018 9:30:27 AM PDT by Tallguy
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To: DUMBGRUNT

It’s been proven in previous conflicts that a woman or child would kill one of our troops just as well as a hardened soldier would.

It’s also proven that the enemy uses women and children as human shields in order to negate any advantage we may have.


160 posted on 10/28/2018 12:07:04 PM PDT by 2CAVTrooper (Democrats... BETRAYING America since 1828.)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

BTW, how many “women and children” do you think our military killed during WWII? Do you think those B-17 and B-24 crews did not know they were killing women and children when fire bombing Dresden? Or when they were reducing Frankfurt and Berlin to rubble? The Germans did not even attack us - the Japanese did.

And, concerning the Pacific War, how about our fire bombing Tokyo? We killed more civilians during the multiple incendiary bombing raids on Tokyo than the combined totals killed by our dropping Atomic Bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Do you think those bomber crews did not understand they were killing “women and children?”

And how about Vietnam and Cambodia? How many “women and children” would you say our military slaughtered in those two countries?

So don’t come at me with that “women and children” propaganda bullsh*t. Because it has no effect on me. I know my history well enough to call BS on your attempt at emotional manipulation.

Those “women and children” attempting to violate our border know full well that they are breaking our laws, and have willingly made a CHOICE to join an invading army. They get what they deserve.


166 posted on 10/28/2018 1:38:16 PM PDT by JME_FAN (If you lived here, you'd be home by now.)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

I am too old now; my time as an active military ground pounder was over twenty years ago. But to answer your questions as I would have back when I was on the firing line...

If I was confronted with a young female working her way through the wire in the sector for which I was responsible, would I personally pull the trigger? Yes. I might not aim to kill, but I for sure would shoot.

A child? Yes again. Kids can carry grenades and IEDs.

Have I ever killed another human being? I believe so. Twice, in fact. Never went to look and confirm the kills, and I’m glad I didn’t have to; but I did shoot and they went down, and I tried many more times than those.

Would I put this on the head of some unfortunate Grunt? I would require that any soldier under my command be willing to obey my orders and follow my example. And if he refused to pull the trigger? Depends on what kind of a soldier he has been before, and how he behaves after. If he is a good man otherwise, I might cut him some slack and assume he just didn’t have clear shot at the target. If not, disobeying an order under fire is a court martial offense.

Would you give a direct and unlawful(?) order to do so? You mean say “Fire”? Yes. “Unlawful(?)” That is not for you to say in advance from way behind the firing line; only the soldier, NCO, or Officer on the scene can make that call, and he will be judged by his superior officers and his military peers at Court Martial if there is any question. To give you some insight, in a riot control situation, where the possibility of us coming under sniper fire was slight but real, an officer told me that under no circumstances was I to return fire. I told him frankly that if I had a clear shot, I would take it, to protect my life and the lives of my men. He huffed that he would shoot me to prevent me doing so. I looked the REMF National Guard Officer in the eye and said “then you better shoot fast and straight.”

I don’t know what your service record and experience is, DumbGrunt, but I’ve been in war, and in multiple riots. I learned not to mess around. One can’t assume that those facing you are peaceful and unarmed, whether they are women and children, or appear to be, or not. And if the men in our current forces don’t know that, or their Officers don’t know that, they better learn quick.


196 posted on 10/28/2018 7:01:28 PM PDT by VietVet
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