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No, You Cannot Debate Global Warming
Townhall.com ^ | October 14, 2018 | Bruce Bialosky

Posted on 10/14/2018 7:26:49 AM PDT by Kaslin

There are multiple subjects that currently divide us.  If you choose to challenge the conventional wisdom on one of these topics, in any regard, that the Earth is warming (now referred to as “Climate Change”) you are accused of being a heretic.  Some of us believe there is no such thing as “settled science” thus we are always open to arguments from both sides as to what has occurred in the evolving knowledge.  Recently, I was presented with a completely different argument.

Anytime I have written on this I have always referred to climatologists as my source of information.  These are qualified experts who not only have a long history of scholarly study in the area, but have the scientific ability to analyze the models presented that predict future world weather. That is why my recent reading of a column really changed my typical way of looking at the issue.

Receiving email from a vast array of sources with a broad political bent keeps me informed of news that a large segment of the population thinks is important.  One of the best collections of columns and articles that hits my email box every day comes from Real Clear Politics (RCP).  RCP has an excellent distribution of columns that often have a unique perspective or a topic that is fresh to me.  I spotted a column that piqued my interest from a person I had never heard of and a publication that was unfamiliar to me.  The title was “How Do You Tell If the Earth’s Climate System is Warming?" by Francis Menton.

The crux of the column is that whether the Earth is warming or cooling is based on the time period you are comparing.  The Earth over various different periods warmed or cooled and thus Menton’s thesis is that you could argue, and often people do, warming or cooling using inherently the same facts, but just a different base period.  The thesis is something I found fascinating because of two reasons. First, I had never read what Menton was purporting anywhere else and; second, I have seen conflicting arguments as to whether we are currently in a warming or cooling trend.

Finding that the column was different and somewhat even-handed, I ventured into the orbit of sending it to someone who is a gung-ho global warming person to elicit their opinion.  The response “A blogger debunking a vast conspiracy of scientists. I'll pass.”  I replied, “It is always this guy does not qualify, that guy does not qualify. but is he wrong?”  To which I got this “This is just more tribalism. The Republicans will automatically disagree with anything that is being supported by the Democrats. Also the vast majority of energy money is flowing to the Republicans. What Republican would ever be on the other side of an issue that the Koch brothers were lavishing money on. Scientific evidence and facts could not be more irrelevant to this debate. “I answered, “Thank you, but is he wrong? I picked up the column off of a daily summary from Real Clear Politics. They are truly even-handed; I did not know the guy’s background until after I read the column.  Why would you assume he is a Republican?  He is a NY lawyer.”

I decided to contact Francis Menton.  Menton is a semi-retired trial lawyer.  He formed his blog, Manhattan Contrarian, six years ago.  He told me he not only was a Harvard Law graduate, but his undergraduate degree was from Yale in math.  Though he is not a climatologist, this is one smart guy who understands what he reads. He said though he is a little rusty on his math as things have changed since he graduated from Yale, someone with these credentials has the ability to analyze the information into which he delves. This is why he has written about 100 pieces on the environment.

He told me he got interested in the subject because the Climate Change argument was being used by supporters to transform the world economy.  He was studying the validity.  He found the temperature measurements really only go back to 1880 as noted by NOAA (National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration).  He also cited that measurements at that time only covered 5% of the Earth and they were only accurate to 1 degree Fahrenheit.  

This still gets down to what are the facts. Whether you buy into the argument that the planet is warming, and it is because of man-made conditions or whether you don’t, or you are somewhere in-between, you need to be open to further understanding and additional facts/observations. Just knee-jerk rejection of the arguments on either side because of where they come from or whether they don’t agree with your baseline thinking defies scientific thinking.

My biggest problem with the climate change crowd is their argument that this is “settled science.”   Science is never settled and arguing that is about the most unscientific thing ever stated.  


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: climatechange; envirowhackos
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1 posted on 10/14/2018 7:26:49 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

If it wasn’t for global warming, Chicago would still be under a mile of ice.


2 posted on 10/14/2018 7:27:31 AM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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To: Kaslin

Heh, that’s because those who don’t want debate are the ones to whom “science for poets” was a class that they failed.


3 posted on 10/14/2018 7:31:24 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: BenLurkin

What I like to pose to climate change people is: what caused the last ice age and what caused its end?


4 posted on 10/14/2018 7:31:51 AM PDT by SkyDancer ( ~ Just Consider Me A Random Fact Generator ~ Eat Sleep Fly Repeat ~)
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To: Kaslin

https://www.manhattancontrarian.com/blog/2018-10-11-manhattan-contrarian-quiz-climate-tipping-points-edition


5 posted on 10/14/2018 7:33:03 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel and NRA Life Member)
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To: Kaslin

The global warming isn’t real for the time period claimed, which is the past 125 years.

This article is making excuses for the liberal Luddites claiming the planet is warming due to human activity.


6 posted on 10/14/2018 7:33:31 AM PDT by CodeToad ( Hating on Trump is hating on me and America!)
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To: Kaslin

because the Global Warming side has nuffin


7 posted on 10/14/2018 7:33:57 AM PDT by butlerweave
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To: Kaslin

If people had accepted Darwin’s theory he postulated as settled, we wouldn’t have attained our modern understanding of nature.

Science can never be settled.


8 posted on 10/14/2018 7:33:58 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: BenLurkin

It is supposed to be under a mile of ice now, according to scientists in the 1970s, during the “Coming Ice Age” scare.


9 posted on 10/14/2018 7:34:14 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: Kaslin
Lawyers debate. Politicians debate. PR men debate.

Science is not debated. You do your research and publish your results.

10 posted on 10/14/2018 7:35:26 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Kaslin

A guy told me the other day “Well, the weather (conflated with climate) is changing”.

To which I said, “Geez I hope so. This rain sucks.”

This is one of those subjects that people love to believe because its science fiction. And who doesn’t love a good science fiction story.


11 posted on 10/14/2018 7:35:41 AM PDT by headstamp 2
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To: BenLurkin

Chicago could be under a mile of ice...


If it were not a sanctuary city, Chicago’s illegal aliens could be under a mile of ICE.


12 posted on 10/14/2018 7:39:13 AM PDT by frank ballenger (End vote fraud,noncitizens & illegals voting & leftist media nes censorship or we're finished.)
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To: SkyDancer

ask liberals what caused the last ice age to start and end?


Answer: Donald J. Trump.


13 posted on 10/14/2018 7:41:02 AM PDT by frank ballenger (End vote fraud,noncitizens & illegals voting & leftist media nes censorship or we're finished.)
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To: frank ballenger

We’re gonna die in 10 years if the temperature increases by one degree.

Which supposedly only Big Government can avert.


14 posted on 10/14/2018 7:41:50 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Kaslin
Some of us believe there is no such thing as “settled science”

SETTELED SCIENCE THROUGH THE AGES

- The earth is flat

- The sun and stars rotate around the earth

- Kazillions of little organisms died in the same place kazillions of times and turned themselves into petroleum

- Letting leeches suck blood out of sick people heals them

- Democrats are the party of the working man


15 posted on 10/14/2018 7:42:03 AM PDT by Iron Munro (If Illegals Voted Republican 66 Million Democrats Would Be Screaming "Build The Wall !")
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To: Kaslin

This is another fine place for Trump to turn his powerful gaze.

He should set up a world debate on Global Warming. Allow ALL sides to contribute but all date must be open to public scrutiny. Not like Mann’s hockey stick that keeps all its data under lock and key for fear of being outed as fraudulent.

This debate needs to be held while Trump is in office because no one else will allow for fairness.


16 posted on 10/14/2018 7:43:28 AM PDT by ArtDodger
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To: Kaslin
Algore is the snake-oil salesman of modern times and many people have bought into it.

Most Americans don't have a clue about the impact to their lives if, for example, a carbon tax is implemented.

Climate Science and modeling is not a trivial thing and is way more complicated than we know. Yet, you have scientists who are willing to toss the scientific method out the window probably due to politics.

17 posted on 10/14/2018 7:44:51 AM PDT by dhs12345
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To: ArtDodger

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18 posted on 10/14/2018 7:47:08 AM PDT by ArtDodger
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To: Kaslin

The issue is not gloal warming nor climate change.

The issue is man induced climate change resulting in a warming tendency. The issue is that the men are Americans

The real issue is are leftist still Americans? Can Hillary or Nancy or Maxine call themselves American?


19 posted on 10/14/2018 7:48:00 AM PDT by bert ((KE. N.P. N.C. +12) Muller..... conspiracy to over throw the government)
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To: goldstategop


20 posted on 10/14/2018 7:49:16 AM PDT by Iron Munro (If Illegals Voted Republican 66 Million Democrats Would Be Screaming "Build The Wall !")
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