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Rosenstein's non-denial
Based on NYT reporting. | Dangus

Posted on 09/22/2018 1:16:22 AM PDT by dangus

I'm sure I'm not the first here to catch this; This probably has been mentioned in the comments in one of the many threads about Rosenstein's involvement in what was actually Comey's attempted coup-d'etat. But given that HOLY COW! AMERICA HAD A REAL-LIFE ATTEMPTED COUP D'ETAT!!!, I think this deserves being bumped up into an article.

Rosenstein disputed the core of the story, that the head of the FBI and the head of the Justice Department had formal discussions about a coup-d'etat. Here's what Rosenstein DID say:

"The New York Times story is inaccurate and factually incorrect. I will not further comment on a story based on anonymous sources who are obviously biased against the department and are advancing their own personal agenda. But let me be clear about this: Based on my personal dealings with the president, there is no basis to invoke the 25th Amendment."

From a later press release: “I never pursued or authorized recording the President and any suggestion that I have ever advocated for the removal of the President is absolutely false."

Well, the original story is that the coup d'etat was Comey's idea. So "pursued" and "advocated" are very fuzzy words. A lawyer like Rosenstein doesn't use fuzzy words when he wants to make an absolute denial. We knew he never AUTHORIZED the recording, otherwise it would have happened. But that doesn't mean that the idea wasn't proposed by Comey, or entertained by Rosenstein.

Let's look at other wordings to assess Rosenstein's candor

"The New York Times story is inaccurate and factually incorrect." Not false. Inaccurate. Usually when someone says you're inaccurate, it means you measured poorly, not that there wasn't anything to measure. So did they blow the details, or was the substance wholly invented?

"I will not further comment..." Which he did a few hours later.

"On a story based on anonymous sources..." Nice try to play on conservative's well-earned distrust of fake news, but this one actually has documentary evidence to help at least partially back up the anonymous sources.

"... who are obviously biased against the department..." To the casual conservative, he's defending the administration, but carefully not standing up for Trump. To the casual liberal, he's defending the Justice Department, but wait, these sources, if real, are from the department? And if they're biased, that means that he just confirmed their existence. The criticism against "anonymous sources" has frequently been that they're fake news!

"...and are advancing their own personal agenda..." What would that be? Exposing treason, or opposing the Trump administration. Wait, you don't honestly expect us to believe that CNN and the New York Times' sources' agenda is to strengthen the Trump administration by spreading lies about you? "But let me be clear about this: Based on my personal dealings with the president, there is no basis to invoke the 25th Amendment." Well, of course not. That doesn't mean that Comey didn't propose the idea to you. I'll take it for what it's worth: it IS a defense of Donald Trump. One whose timing seems self-serving, but a real one, nonetheless.

To be clear: The New York Times put Rosenstein in the headline, when the meat of the story reveals that Rosenstein was reacting to Comey's attempted coup-d'etat. Even though he's newsworthy in a headline because he's running the justice department and Comey now has time to pursue his story-writing career, Rosenstein seems to have a legit reason to be upset that the headline leads as if he's the architect of the coup, whereas he may be the one who decided it was infeasible to pursue further. But what I'm NOT hearing is, "That conversation never took place!"


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption
KEYWORDS: comey; coupdetat; jamescomey; rodrosenstein; rosenstein; vanity
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1 posted on 09/22/2018 1:16:22 AM PDT by dangus
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To: dangus

Outstanding analysis. Thanks for sharing.


2 posted on 09/22/2018 1:21:11 AM PDT by be-baw (still seeking...)
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To: dangus

Clarity is here obtained.


3 posted on 09/22/2018 1:26:38 AM PDT by arthurus (ifni)
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To: dangus

Did you miss 1963 and 1974?


4 posted on 09/22/2018 1:27:07 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: dangus

Despite his protestations, put nothing past the Dep AG (and/or Comey, Brennan, Clapper, Clinton & Mueller). All are masters of disguise and doublespeak. The leak was timed and positioned to generate a Trump response...which he did not give them. Do not be surprised if one or more have already recorded POTUS (or attempted to do so) either in TT or the Oval Office.


5 posted on 09/22/2018 1:44:52 AM PDT by O6ret
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To: O6ret

Do not be surprised if one or more have already recorded POTUS (or attempted to do so) either in TT or the Oval Office.


Could the tapes being played by Omarosis actually have been recorded by the coup plotters? Could it be they are using her to get the recordings out keeping their involvement hidden?


6 posted on 09/22/2018 1:55:31 AM PDT by CIB-173RDABN (I am not an expert in anything, and my opinion is just that, an opinion. I may be wrong.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Yea, those two case studies in the fortitude of a Vice President. The Democrats put the elevator titty pincher in to replace Kennedy and as retaliation for the Republicans pushing thru the Equal Rights and Gender (not bender) Equality Acts... their new president somehow used what was left of the Social Security (Peace Corps was leveraged but not a withdraw), to fund more of their socialist city utopia. By '68 those who fought WWII had enough of the Hillary generation of Demon-cats anti-war protests and the race riots up North. Nixon came in and ended the war after bombing NVN into the stone age, and then the Demon-crats got him after opening a door to China. Once Nixon was gone, Ford quietly sat idle and allowed the Demon-crats to renege on our Treaty with SVN to come to their aid when the soulmates of the evil Demon-crats allowed SVN to be destroyed - ensuring forever in our lifetimes that no nation can Trust America once they the Democrat Party comes to power and refused to defend or protect our allies when they are being attacked and destroyed, read Iran, Egypt, and throughout Africa. The shame the Democrats have brought upon America, the attempted surversion of the Constitution by overt institutionalization of Departments of Education, EPA.

You might actually mark 2016 as a coup which saved the ship of state, and Trump is the one who captured the presidency. It remains to be seen, but his VP (Pence) might be the Demon-crats worst nightmare, should he finish a Trump term simply because he is a Religious Constitutionalist and will given the opportunity put men and women of faith on the SCOTUS. The VP on this ticket this time should give the Left second thoughts about an attempted Coup - if as many believe it was God's Hand moving across His Second Nation (behind Israel), putting a Builder (Mason) into the presidency, leaving the Nation and Presidency in Pence's "hand" would give America something of a Pope making decisions in the White House in accordance with God's Word.

I sincerely want the Builder/Mason to finish doing His work from now until 2024 and give Pence the final opportunity to shape the SCOTUS for prosperity and freedom.

7 posted on 09/22/2018 2:53:07 AM PDT by Jumper
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To: dangus
but this one actually has documentary evidence to help at least partially back up the anonymous sources.

????? This documentary evidence is supposedly a McCabe memo, aka Comey memo. If true then, when was the "memo" written and with what purpose.

"... who are obviously biased against the department..." To the casual conservative, he's defending the administration, but carefully not standing up for Trump. To the casual liberal, he's defending the Justice Department, but wait, these sources, if real, are from the department?

How do you get that the source is in the department from that statement? That is a real stretch.

8 posted on 09/22/2018 2:53:12 AM PDT by Lady Heron
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To: dangus

Coming from the NY Times-it’s a trap for Trump. There is nothing they can get Trump on so they’re hoping he fires Rosenstein to get Trump for obstruction.

Don’t fall for it.


9 posted on 09/22/2018 3:29:52 AM PDT by HarleyD
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To: dangus
This is sedition. It is also treason, because these villainous scum worked with foreign governments and enemies in an attempted coup against a duly elected President of the United States.


10 posted on 09/22/2018 3:39:49 AM PDT by SkyPilot ("I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Did you know Dallas was Plan B? I never heard this until yesterday. They actually arrested a drifter who was a former Marine in Chicago 2 weeks earlier who police received an anon phone tip about. Had a route map and rifles. He claimed he was “being set up and knew nothing about it, they weren’t even his guns”. A legit JFK Secret Service Agent states bluntly “Dallas was Plan B”. How the duck does a “Lone Wolf” have a PLan B in Chicago? No doubt JFK was shot from the 6th floor but by whom? Even if it WAS LHO how can you claim he acted alone when the exact same Plan was stopped in Chicago 2 weeks earlier? They even cancelled JFK’s entire trip to Chicago. So two weeks later they let him get into an open car in Dallas? Are you kidding me? Poor bastard was led like a sheep to the slaughter. Who could do that? Does anyone honestly think the KGB or Cubans could set up two different “lone drifter former Marine place 6 floors above an open car” plans inside the US? It is so painfully obvious it “glows in the dark” which is why our gummint will never admit what they did. Our own government killed JFK. And this is why “we still don’t know” 50 years later.


11 posted on 09/22/2018 3:47:22 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: dangus

Sessions needs to fire him. He causes a lot of damage needlessly.


12 posted on 09/22/2018 3:48:44 AM PDT by Adder (Mr. Franklin: We are trying to get the Republic back!)
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To: wastoute

The Marine Corp’s reputation for skilled marksmanship precedes them. Notice they didn’t set up Air Force veteran patsies. Kennedy was killed by a small team of professional hitmen that did this sort of thing for what we now call the deep state. Oswald was in the ground floor break room of his building when the law went bursting in seconds after Kennedy was shot. No way in the world he could have been up in the sixth floor when the assassination took place.


13 posted on 09/22/2018 3:55:45 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

When you know only what that JFK Secret Service Agent knew at the time it is pretty clear what happened. Someone knowingly let him get in that open car in Dallas after having foiled the exact same plan 2 weeks earlier. Let that sink in. How in the hell did LHO set that up by himself? He obviously could not have. Nor could he, with is resources have arranged another shooter in Chicago to have a room 6 floors above the motorcade route in Chicago. Even if he could have that sort of blows the entire “acted alone” thing. The SS Agent even admits that they new there were “several groups following JFK around looking for an assaasination opportunity”. And yet the still let him get in the car. None of this is supposition. All fact.


14 posted on 09/22/2018 4:04:37 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: HarleyD

“Coming from the NY Times-it’s a trap for Trump.”

THAT is it. The NYT is going to publish something that makes PDJT look sympathetic? I think not. A trap.


15 posted on 09/22/2018 4:05:01 AM PDT by MayflowerMadam (Have an A-1 day.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The point being is once you realize our gummint actually murdered a president in broad daylight 50 years ago it is pretty easy to understand what the DOJ and FBI are doing to Trump.


16 posted on 09/22/2018 4:06:27 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: dangus

OK, so why did they put this story out now, instead of months ago?


17 posted on 09/22/2018 4:12:33 AM PDT by oblomov
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To: dangus

Here’s my “Devil’s Advocate” scenario: If Comey approached him in early 2017 with a scenario to conduct a surveillance campaign against the President and Rosenstein thought Comey was absolutely crazy (and told him so), then what kind of denial could Rosenstein possibly make today — that they didn’t discuss the matter at all? That denial would be false, wouldn’t it?


18 posted on 09/22/2018 4:15:11 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("The Russians escaped while we weren't watching them ... like Russians will)
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To: be-baw

Do you live near the lake?


19 posted on 09/22/2018 4:32:38 AM PDT by Beagle8U (A Muse once bit my Sister.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Possibly 1985? Deep State, CIA/Soros Op?

John Warnock Hinckley Jr. was born on May 29, 1955, in Ardmore, Oklahoma,[2][3] and moved with his wealthy family to Dallas, Texas, at the age of 4. His late father was John Warnock Hinckley Sr., president of “World Vision United States”, and chairman and president of the “Vanderbilt Energy Corporation”. No chance of globalist influence here, (even with the christian veneer the mission is societal transformation)
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During the late 1970s and early 1980s, Hinckley began purchasing weapons and practicing with them. He was prescribed anti-depressants and tranquilizers to deal with emotional issues.

No possibility of FBI/Deep State psychiatric influence on yet another lone wolf.

Seems like the president is allowed to live if he/she acts like a powerless figurehead Queen of Belgium, etc. But Must Not Be Tolerated if adheres to Constitutional duties to be check on judicial and legislative branches and governs the Executive branch (the true Deep State) as a patriot.

Anticommunists and sovereigntists apply at own risk. God Save Trump.


20 posted on 09/22/2018 4:37:30 AM PDT by epluribus_2 (he had the best mom - ever.)
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