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What Nonreligious People Get Wrong About Religious People
Townhall.com ^ | August 29, 2018 | Ben Shapiro

Posted on 08/28/2018 11:09:53 PM PDT by Kaslin

With the media furiously obsessed over the supposed imminent end of the Trump presidency (spoiler alert: nope), the new conversation among the elite concerns the supposed evils of Vice President Mike Pence. Pence, our leftist thought leaders proclaim, is perhaps even more frightening than President Trump. Frank Bruni of The New York Times terms Pence a "holy terror waiting in the wings ... a bigot ... a liar ... cruel."

This is nothing new. Conan O'Brien says that "many members of Congress are preparing for a Mike Pence presidency. Yeah, they're preparing by binge-watching 'The Handmaid's Tale.'" Joy Behar called Pence's faith a "mental illness." John Oliver trolled Pence last year by mocking his daughter's children's book about a bunny rabbit -- in Oliver's parody book, the bunny rabbit is gay. Because, of course, Pence would hate a gay bunny.

Last year, the media went into a tizzy when they learned that Pence refuses to dine alone with women other than his wife (the same media have since been shocked to learn that Harvey Weinstein loved dining alone with women other than his wife). This policy made Pence a bigot. But that was just the beginning. Pence, said the media, supported "gay conversion therapy." This, of course, is false as well. But that didn't stop the media from feting gay 2018 Winter Olympian Adam Rippon, who proceeded to trot out that debunked chestnut.

What is so frightening about Pence? His status as a religious Christian. According to many on the left, Pence's religiosity means he's a theocrat. Never mind the fact that Pence is a limited-government conservative who isn't generally interested in imposing policy preferences from above; he believes in Jesus, and therefore, he must want to install himself at the head of the United Christian States of America.

But that isn't even what bothers those on the left. What bothers many on the left about Pence is the same thing that bothers them about religious Christians in general: They seem convinced that religious Americans are merely bigots hiding behind the Bible. The perspective is well-expressed by Greg Carey, professor of the New Testament at Lancaster Theological Seminary: "People either use religion to justify their bigotry or they refuse to give up their bigotry for the sake of maintaining false religious security." Or let's listen to Bruni again, this time from April 2015: "our debate about religious freedom should include a conversation about freeing religions and religious people from prejudices that they needn't cling to." Or Hillary Clinton in 2016: "deep-seated cultural codes, religious beliefs and structural biases have to be changed."

This view of religious belief is deeply demeaning. The suggestion seems to be that religious texts are utterly malleable, and that human beings twist them to fit their preconceived notions. But the suggestion is alien to most religious people, who believe that their religion dictates and they listen. This perception gap plagues our public discourse and helps explain why the left seems so unperturbed by violating the religious-practice rights of other Americans: They think those Americans are bad human beings using the Bible to shield themselves. Pence is merely the latest example.

The great irony, of course, is that religious people generally wish to be left alone. They're not seeking to impose "The Handmaid's Tale"; such compulsion is endemic to a left that insists we "bake the cake." Such psychological projection damages the public discourse and undermines cultural unity. If the left truly wants a more tolerant America, perhaps it should start by assuming that its opponents in the religious community aren't mere bigots cloaked in the vestments of God -- and perhaps it ought to think more deeply about whether the true bigotry lies within itself.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: ac; pence; persecution; religion

1 posted on 08/28/2018 11:09:53 PM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

We could say the same, the nonreligious bigots hiding behind “science”, “darwin”, whatever the current favorite theory of the day is, whatever they put their faith in.


2 posted on 08/28/2018 11:19:38 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man ( Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Kaslin

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3 posted on 08/29/2018 12:32:42 AM PDT by GOP Poet
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To: Secret Agent Man
The Left labels their cultism as "science", which is just another lie. They think that if they change the name of something, it will deceive the proles. It certainly confuses them.

Witness how "global warming" suddenly became "climate change". Communism is now "democratic socialism", bigotry is now "diversity" homosexuals are now "gay", or "gender diverse".

Science is simply the effort to explain reality. If two people can't do the same thing on opposite sides of the planet, and achieve the same result, it's not science, it's theory, or a lie.

Leftism is the religion of the Big Lie.

4 posted on 08/29/2018 12:57:08 AM PDT by jonascord (First rule of the Dunning-Kruger Club is that you do not know you are in the Dunning-Kruger club.)
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To: Kaslin

Christianity is a word/name/description that most do not understand. It can be a wide use, such as one belongs to this category, or one who is definitely different, and serving God in their lives. To the God person, the name is not as important as the relationship. To the non God person, it comes across as being superior and judgmental.

Just because a person lives their lives in a relationship with God (Jesus Christ), are set apart, and are not like the masses, who serve their own wants, the Christian is called weird, and all the names they use for such. A good person, one who tries to do right and live accordingly, is not received by the groups who live like the heathens, or that selfish person who is angry, have no solid foundation, and who are loose cannons in most things. It’s okay to be off the wall and trying to reach a goal with any means he can find to use. But to be good and try to help others, they are frowned on and considered judgmental.. their very lives make the nonChristian nervous and are not accepted as honest people. Ya’ can’t be what the world doesn’t allow. Ya’ can’t be better than the worst “sinner” out there. Ya’ can’t live a life that shows up how different you are, serving the Lord... they don’t like to have a light shown on their ugliness. So, instaed of changing for the better, they want to tear down the existance of Christianity, so they are not constantly shown who they are.

Being a God follower, makes one unacceptable to the left. we can’t just live our lives and bake our cakes... no, we are supposed to submit to them and what they demand. But they can’t corral a man/person, who does not answer to the world, but to God in the Heavens. They don’t undestand it... They don’t believe it... and they don’t want the reminder in their midst.

If they can eradicate it from the earth.. from their surroundings. . they think they can remove their own guilt, which stands in their way of doing whatever they want to do. Get that Christian out of my evironment so I can live a life of whatever I want to live.. no matter who it harms... just let me do as I want.. The Christian is just a constant reminder of the world’s own failure.. and it has to go!

Yes, there are hypocrits, and yes, there are the real thing. The real thing is never a hindrance.. it shows there is hope and trust yet to be had in this life.


5 posted on 08/29/2018 2:30:21 AM PDT by frnewsjunkie
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To: Kaslin
Pence would hate a gay bunny.

Oh REALLY??


 

A BIBLICAL Message to LGBT folks EVERYWHERE!



 
Genesis 13:13
Now the men of Sodom were wicked and were sinning greatly against the LORD.

Genesis 18:20-21
20. Then the LORD said, "The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and
their sin so grievous
21. that I will go down and see if what they have done is as bad as the outcry that has reached me. If not, I will know."

Genesis 19:4-7
4. Before they had gone to bed, all the men
from every part of the city of Sodom--both young and old--surrounded the house.
5. They called to Lot, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them
."
6. Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him
7. and said, "No, my friends. Don't do this wicked thing.


Leviticus niv

18:22 Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable.

20:13 If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

 
 


Psalms 12:8 The wicked freely strut about when what is vile is honored among men.

Doonesbury Cartoon for Feb/08/2013

Isaiah 3:9 The look on their faces testifies against them; they parade their sin like Sodom; they do not hide it. Woe to them! They have brought disaster upon themselves.

2 Peter 2:13b Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you.


Ezekiel 16:49-50
49. "`Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy.
50. They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen.


Romans 1     New American Bible (Revised Edition) (NABRE)
 
 18 The wrath of God is indeed being revealed from heaven against every impiety and wickedness of those who suppress the truth by their wickedness. 19 For what can be known about God is evident to them, because God made it evident to them. 20 Ever since the creation of the world, his invisible attributes of eternal power and divinity have been able to be understood and perceived in what he has made. As a result, they have no excuse; 21 for although they knew God they did not accord him glory as God or give him thanks. Instead, they became vain in their reasoning, and their senseless minds were darkened. 22 While claiming to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for the likeness of an image of mortal man or of birds or of four-legged animals or of snakes.
 

24 Therefore, God handed them over to impurity through the lusts of their hearts for the mutual degradation of their bodies. 25 They exchanged the truth of God for a lie and revered and worshiped the creature rather than the creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. 26 Therefore, God handed them over to degrading passions. Their females exchanged natural relations for unnatural, 27 and the males likewise gave up natural relations with females and burned with lust for one another. Males did shameful things with males and thus received in their own persons the due penalty for their perversity. 28 And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God handed them over to their undiscerning mind to do what is improper. 29 They are filled with every form of wickedness, evil, greed, and malice; full of envy, murder, rivalry, treachery, and spite. 


2 Peter 2

1. But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on themselves.
2. Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.
3. In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.
4. For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell, putting them into gloomy dungeons to be held for judgment;
5. if he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others;
6. if he condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by burning them to ashes, and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly;
7. and if he rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was distressed by the filthy lives of lawless men
8. (for that righteous man, living among them day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard)--
9. if this is so, then the Lord knows how to rescue godly men from trials and to hold the unrighteous for the day of judgment, while continuing their punishment.
10. This is especially true of those who follow the corrupt desire of the sinful nature and despise authority. Bold and arrogant, these men are not afraid to slander celestial beings;
11. yet even angels, although they are stronger and more powerful, do not bring slanderous accusations against such beings in the presence of the Lord.
12. But these men blaspheme in matters they do not understand. They are like brute beasts, creatures of instinct, born only to be caught and destroyed, and like beasts they too will perish.
13. They will be paid back with harm for the harm they have done.
Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you.



But there IS hope!!!

1 Corinthians 6:9-11

9. Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived:
Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders
10. nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
11. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.


If you could NOT change, you would be in most pitiful shape...

 
 
 
 
 
 
 


The Health Risks of gay sex.

6 posted on 08/29/2018 4:20:40 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Secret Agent Man
Yeah, they're preparing by binge-watching 'The Handmaid's Tale.'"

Thanks; Rome; for making us ALL look bad!

7 posted on 08/29/2018 4:21:31 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Kaslin
in Oliver's parody book, the bunny rabbit is gay.

Of course the hero of the book is a sodomite ... leftists are completely soaked in perversion and evil.

8 posted on 08/29/2018 4:22:42 AM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: Secret Agent Man

‘We could say the same, the nonreligious bigots hiding behind “science”

it’s really quite simple:

1. theists hate atheists...
2. atheists hate theists...

that truism has held since man developed the ability for abstract thought; and the chasm will never be bridged, due to arrogance, superiority complexes, and pure stupidity...since I am neither of the above, I say let them hate to their hearts content, and let them get their morality kicks throwing insults at each other...


9 posted on 08/29/2018 4:33:34 AM PDT by IrishBrigade
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To: All

Recent “scientific” activity from the left:

https://www.dailywire.com/news/35119/brown-university-researcher-released-study-about-ben-shapiro


10 posted on 08/29/2018 5:05:01 AM PDT by TigerClaws
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To: IrishBrigade
1. theists hate atheists...

I don't think that is true. At least as far as Christians go, I think most believers feel sorry for those who do not believe. We would like to help. There is no reason at all for us to "hate" an atheist.

11 posted on 08/29/2018 5:19:01 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The MSM is in the business of creating a fake version of reality for political reasons.)
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To: Kaslin
Well first, non-religious people think that they are non-religious people.

They are in the dark about the fact that their evolution and global warming are actually religions.

12 posted on 08/29/2018 5:23:30 AM PDT by DungeonMaster (If your church believes in evolution it is not a Christian church.)
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To: Albion Wilde

BUMP


13 posted on 08/29/2018 5:45:21 AM PDT by Albion Wilde (Interrupt Obama and reporters are racist; interrupt Trump and they're heroes. --Mark Levin)
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To: IrishBrigade

it’s really quite simple:

1. theists hate atheists...
2. atheists hate theists...

that truism has held since man developed the ability for abstract thought; and the chasm will never be bridged, due to arrogance, superiority complexes, and pure stupidity...since I am neither of the above, I say let them hate to their hearts content, and let them get their morality kicks throwing insults at each other...
........................................................

You could not be more ignorant as far as what a true Christian is. I’m guessing you are actually a theist but you just aren’t aware of it. Your god looks back at you in the mirror.


14 posted on 08/29/2018 6:43:59 AM PDT by bramps (It's the Islam, stupid!)
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